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Re: Twilio to lay off 11% of workforce

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It’s literally in the platform of the Republican Party to “fight woke culture”

it's also in the platform of many leftists. woke culture debases woke politics and gives cover to neoliberals' authoritarian, anti-worker policy

And that’s the problem in this comment pool to call out, clearly.

Re: Twilio to lay off 11% of workforce

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it's also in the platform of many leftists. woke culture debases woke politics and gives cover to neoliberals' authoritarian, anti-worker policy

And that’s the problem in this comment pool to call out, clearly.

i was adding some color to help you understand why "woke culture" isn't the dog whistle you think it is

edit: friend, why do you keep editing your comments to make them have a different overall meaning after i reply?

Re: Twilio to lay off 11% of workforce

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Or, "when we fired people, we tried NOT to consider their race" ... the idea that a layoff would, by default, be fair and not a racist or bigoted decision is a very privileged world view.

Why are you trying to make it sound like most layoffs are race-based?

I'm not. Why are you assuming they are all fair and equitable?

There is more than enough racism and other bigotry in North America to make the assumption that the layoffs across all departments would be fair and equitable a suspect assumption.

Re: Twilio to lay off 11% of workforce

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>Twilio had 7,867 employees as of Dec. 31, 2021. Every single layoff story stupefies me. Confuses. Flabbergasts. What are these companies doing with so many people? What are they doing? Like, what are their day-to-day tasks? My employer has more people but we build nuclear reactors and spacecraft. Our revenue per employee is nearly double Twilio's and is low for a "tech" firm due to the extremely high capital costs a…

"What are these companies doing with so many people? What are they doing? Like, what are their day-to-day tasks?"

I don't know but I will say that I had the time of my life at the Signal 2018 conference where they rented out Bill Graham Arena and booked OK GO to play ... open bar and an arena full of indoor food trucks ...

... and earlier that day Tony Hawk was doing a halfpipe demo ... related to Twilio somehow ... ?

Hard to say where their business is going but it has all worked out very well for me.

Re: Twilio to lay off 11% of workforce

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Anyone else read the letter from the CEO where they claim that the layoffs "were carried out through an Anti-Racist/Anti-Oppression lens"? That's verbatim from the actual PDF, in case anyone was curious ( https://d18rn0p25nwr6d.cloudfront.net/CIK-0001447669/5c6aa73... ) Page 6, under the heading "How did we decide which roles would be impacted". I wonder what race they deliberately targeted for these layoffs, with la…

In addition to wishing that he could use "affected" instead of "impacted", I'm curious how the lens works. Is there a database with the races or colors of all their employees? And what query do you use to implement the lens?

What is the race field in their HR database and what range of values does it possess? What is the sorting algorithm?

Re: Twilio to lay off 11% of workforce

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Same here. I'm pretty liberal on a number of issues, but this kind of language is extremely off-putting to me. If it means that the layoffs were explicitly racist, that is disgusting.

But we are all fine with racist hiring...

Who the hell is the "we" you're talking about here? I've been opposed to considering race in hiring (and college admissions, etc.) since I was old enough to understand it (which was in elementary school).

Re: Twilio to lay off 11% of workforce

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Same here. I'm pretty liberal on a number of issues, but this kind of language is extremely off-putting to me. If it means that the layoffs were explicitly racist, that is disgusting.

They were explicitly "anti-racist" which is just racism done differently.

No it's just regular old racism.

Re: Twilio to lay off 11% of workforce

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I consider myself very ‘liberal’ per American standards (pro abortion, pro lgbt rights, pro racial diversity and acceptance), and this to me screams of woke culture gone wild. Looks like anything can be weaponised.

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I'm an actual right-wing conservative and no, most people on HN are definitely not conservatives. Lots of libertarians, but not many conservatives.

Re: Twilio to lay off 11% of workforce

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At least in the United States, this is not true. Please do not spread inflammatory disinformation: https://www.eeoc.gov/racecolor-discrimination

From your link: > The law forbids discrimination when it comes to any aspect of employment, including hiring, firing, pay, job assignments, promotions, layoff, training, fringe benefits, and any other term or condition of employment. This makes it sound like affirmative action is illegal. But it is currently allowed and many companies brag about doing it. What Twilio is doing is basically the same. It's like affirmat…

Affirmative action in hiring for jobs in the US is illegal. University admissions are different, but it is straightforwardly illegal to say, "I'm hiring a software engineer, I have two candidates, I prefer the one who is black because of his race."

Re: Twilio to lay off 11% of workforce

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> "were carried out through an Anti-Racist/Anti-Oppression lens" People have lost their damn minds. This is actual institutionalized racism . I wouldn't work for these people in a million years, but I really do wonder how I'd fit into their shallow models (I'm mixed race b/w).

Well, where exactly are you on the RGB scale? This a strict 8 bit operation. If you expect HDR level fidelity here, just move along.
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