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Re: Twilio to lay off 11% of workforce

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We have no idea what it means and you can rationalize it all you like. Quota or not they likely fired a white person instead of a another person because of their skin color. Or it’s just cheap talk and means nothing, those are the only two options.

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This is the definition of prejudice.

Re: Twilio to lay off 11% of workforce

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This line seems to be referenced a lot in these comments: > Layoffs like this can have a more pronounced impact on marginalized communities, so we were particularly focused on ensuring our layoffs – while a business necessity today – were carried out through an Anti-Racist/Anti-Oppression lens. Sounds like they are taking steps to make sure whoever was chosen for layoffs were not chosen for racist reasons. But so man…

See what Dr. Kendi is advocating for and his "anti-racist" ideas. I think it will make sense to you why some people write things like "People have lost their damn minds. This is actual institutionalized racism."

Kendi is one person with one interpretation and doesn't work for nor represent the policies of Twilio, a completely separate institution.

I read the statement the same as the GP comment.

Re: Twilio to lay off 11% of workforce

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I consider myself very ‘liberal’ per American standards (pro abortion, pro lgbt rights, pro racial diversity and acceptance), and this to me screams of woke culture gone wild. Looks like anything can be weaponised.

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it's a tale as old as time: "centrist" liberal goes online to argue with the right, discovers they're arguing with the left, covers their tracks with the delete button and an accusation of horseshoe theory

Re: Twilio to lay off 11% of workforce

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(I am a black man) I feel like the statement that the layoffs "were carried out through an Anti-Racist/Anti-Oppression lens" puts a target on the backs of the people who you claim to be helping. If you're affected by layoffs described this way, you then question whether that was because of who you are. That then makes it harder for the minorities you claim to be "helping" to stay in the room anywhere else because of…

https://imgur.com/a/FZRAMhf

Re: Twilio to lay off 11% of workforce

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>some white people who were affected will believe it was because of their race But is it actually true? Did they fire white people at a higher rate?

They apparently laid off white people at a higher rate than they would have. Otherwise the statement about using an anti-racist lens would be incredibly misleading.

"Than they would have" if what though? They just allowed subconscious racist biases to affect their decision making? It's not like we lack evidence that this does in fact happen.

If an "anti-racist lens" means anything other than "processes to help avoid the effect of subconscious racial bias" I'd agree it's a problem.

Re: Twilio to lay off 11% of workforce

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> if the same privilege is not extended during layoffs it will unfairly impact them. By unfairly you mean fairly.

It is brutally unfair to hire by one standard and then suddenly hold them to a higher one. And fairness aside, if you do not look through an anti-racist/anti-oppression lens you would destroy years of work of improving company diversity.

>And fairness aside, if you do not look through an anti-racist/anti-oppression lens you would destroy years of work of improving company diversity.

Making "improving company diversity" a terminal goal is a problem in and of itself.

Re: Twilio to lay off 11% of workforce

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> and maybe move the conversation forward What does this actually mean, in the context of "when we fired people, we considered their race"?

Or, "when we fired people, we tried NOT to consider their race" ... the idea that a layoff would, by default, be fair and not a racist or bigoted decision is a very privileged world view.

Why are you trying to make it sound like most layoffs are race-based?

Re: Twilio to lay off 11% of workforce

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(I am a black man) I feel like the statement that the layoffs "were carried out through an Anti-Racist/Anti-Oppression lens" puts a target on the backs of the people who you claim to be helping. If you're affected by layoffs described this way, you then question whether that was because of who you are. That then makes it harder for the minorities you claim to be "helping" to stay in the room anywhere else because of…

"I feel like the statement that the layoffs "were carried out through an Anti-Racist/Anti-Oppression lens" puts a target on the backs of the people who you claim to be helping." How do they know who is what race though? If I am 50% latino / 50% asian what does that mean? Do you get to pick? Or do they test my skin color? Do they have forms to fill out what race you are? Do they do genetic testing? Depressing racism i…

I work at a Bay Area tech company with over 10k employees and we are asked to log our ethnic and gender identity in Workday.

Re: Twilio to lay off 11% of workforce

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(I am a black man) I feel like the statement that the layoffs "were carried out through an Anti-Racist/Anti-Oppression lens" puts a target on the backs of the people who you claim to be helping. If you're affected by layoffs described this way, you then question whether that was because of who you are. That then makes it harder for the minorities you claim to be "helping" to stay in the room anywhere else because of…

A Minnesota public school district created a plan to prioritize laying off white teachers. https://nypost.com/2022/08/17/minneapolis-schools-defend-pla...

And in doing so, they almost perfectly matched what a school district did back in 1985 and got wrecked by SCOTUS over: https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/476/267.html

A bold move, especially since the court looks even less favorably on affirmative action than it did 40 years ago.

Re: Twilio to lay off 11% of workforce

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Anyone else read the letter from the CEO where they claim that the layoffs "were carried out through an Anti-Racist/Anti-Oppression lens"? That's verbatim from the actual PDF, in case anyone was curious ( https://d18rn0p25nwr6d.cloudfront.net/CIK-0001447669/5c6aa73... ) Page 6, under the heading "How did we decide which roles would be impacted". I wonder what race they deliberately targeted for these layoffs, with la…

In addition to wishing that he could use "affected" instead of "impacted", I'm curious how the lens works. Is there a database with the races or colors of all their employees? And what query do you use to implement the lens?
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