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Twilio to lay off 11% of workforce

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Re: Twilio to lay off 11% of workforce

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> "were carried out through an Anti-Racist/Anti-Oppression lens"

People have lost their damn minds. This is actual institutionalized racism.

I wouldn't work for these people in a million years, but I really do wonder how I'd fit into their shallow models (I'm mixed race b/w).

Re: Twilio to lay off 11% of workforce

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Crucify me for being woke, but I feel like getting upset at this statement is overblown. There is no way that there was a 'white people quota' or anything like that (which would not be 'anti racist'). Charitably, 'anti-racist' just means not turning a blind eye to the real and/or perceived racial outcomes of your decisions. If most of your QA testers are Vietnamese and you cut your whole QA department, it can come of…

I'll believe this was actually racially blind when Twilio releases a count of each race that was laid off, and the sum of each race for employees in the company prior to the layoff. It's very simple for everyone to verify whether there was racial targeting outside the statistically probable bounds of random selection from the parent group. I have no problem with people being woke as long as we're both working towards…

Please enumerate all the races first and the criteria to distinguish each race from the other. It will be important for your statistical analysis.

Re: Twilio to lay off 11% of workforce

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Anyone else read the letter from the CEO where they claim that the layoffs "were carried out through an Anti-Racist/Anti-Oppression lens"? That's verbatim from the actual PDF, in case anyone was curious ( https://d18rn0p25nwr6d.cloudfront.net/CIK-0001447669/5c6aa73... ) Page 6, under the heading "How did we decide which roles would be impacted". I wonder what race they deliberately targeted for these layoffs, with la…

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If this was an ordinary layoff announcement that made no mention of race, then we would have no idea whether it did or didn't have a tangible impact.

The fact that the CEO decided to deliberately mention race and acknowledged that layoffs were performed through a racial lens? That's a pretty good indicator to me that a racial lens was used.

Re: Twilio to lay off 11% of workforce

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Another company carelessly overhiring. OR maybe using opportunity to do some trimming? edit: Where does one check hiring metrics for company before accepting contract?

What even causes "over hiring"? People just building their resume for things like "managed a department of 200 people" ? Otherwise over hiring sounds like a pain in the ass to deal with.

Investors in high-growth companies like to see rapidly expanding headcounts.

And when you're growing fast there's a real impetus to fill seats FAST and there's not much discipline around making sure you're hiring well. So you end up having to collect more people than you need because not all of them are well suited to their roles and you've got a lot of new projects that everyone isn't fully spun up on so there's always a surprising proportion of people who are being spun up or wound down on random projects all the time without directly committing any code. Companies that grow like this tend to end up with a lot of dead weight and bad business processes that spontaneously appear to shift that dead weight around to where they don't drag things down.

Re: Twilio to lay off 11% of workforce

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(I am a black man) I feel like the statement that the layoffs "were carried out through an Anti-Racist/Anti-Oppression lens" puts a target on the backs of the people who you claim to be helping. If you're affected by layoffs described this way, you then question whether that was because of who you are. That then makes it harder for the minorities you claim to be "helping" to stay in the room anywhere else because of…

Imagine that in 2022 we would be told that we're hired or fired on the basis of race! Unbelievable.

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Re: Twilio to lay off 11% of workforce

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(I am a black man) I feel like the statement that the layoffs "were carried out through an Anti-Racist/Anti-Oppression lens" puts a target on the backs of the people who you claim to be helping. If you're affected by layoffs described this way, you then question whether that was because of who you are. That then makes it harder for the minorities you claim to be "helping" to stay in the room anywhere else because of…

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Re: Twilio to lay off 11% of workforce

#97
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> People are not being let go because of who they are This is a common tactic from progressive in that they flat out deny the reality that everyone else see. They just say "it doesn't happen" when the CEO in a letter that was filed stated they specifically did this.

They said it was a factor. Twilio I'm sure had said they've been trying to diversify their workforce for years and you didn't care (which is the same thing, just through hiring instead of firing). It is you parachuting in to be offended that is the disingenuous thing here.

To me (someone from a former socialist country), both hiring and firing, based on race, seems very very racist.

Replace all the groups with "white men", and if it seems racist then, well, it's also racist when it's any other group except "white men".

Re: Twilio to lay off 11% of workforce

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Given that affirmative action has been a thing in both hiring and college admissions for multiple decades now, that's of course incorrect. Those "innumerable advantages" in today's USA overwhelmingly go to (immigrant) minorities. I'm so glad I live in a country in continental Europe where this shit is unconstitutional and any company that even tried to hint at doing this is going to get sued to oblivion.

The people being laid off likely grew up in America 25-40 years ago. Modern policies are not relevant to the people I'm talking about (though obviously still a very interesting and important discussion).

Re: Twilio to lay off 11% of workforce

#99

Back in my time, we called "treating people differently, based on their race" racism.

Yes, quite an interesting magic trick that has been performed by people from certain political persuasions about how they now make everything about race, yet claim while patting us minorities on the head about how "they're not racist". It's barking mad.

Re: Twilio to lay off 11% of workforce

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(I am a black man) I feel like the statement that the layoffs "were carried out through an Anti-Racist/Anti-Oppression lens" puts a target on the backs of the people who you claim to be helping. If you're affected by layoffs described this way, you then question whether that was because of who you are. That then makes it harder for the minorities you claim to be "helping" to stay in the room anywhere else because of…

Making an assumption, so far I have only read the CNBC article.

Many of the recent tech layoffs included entire departments not entirely related to the operation of the business, the core product. For example: recruiting departments. When entire diversity departments were terminated, many considered the move racist. Perhaps Twilio found themselves in this scenario?

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