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The B-52 was designed in a hotel room over one weekend

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Re: The B-52 was designed in a hotel room over one weekend

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Came here to say something similar. My comment being "The word 'designed' is being used very generously here. I would suggest 'conceptualized' as a better word"

“I want all my music to fit in the palm of my hand.” Steve Jobs created the iPod in just one day

Meh, the Archos Jukebox was doing that well before Steve Jobs. Steve's genius concept was "I want all my music to fit in the palm of my hand, but with a way better UI than Archos Jukebox"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archos_Jukebox_series

Re: The B-52 was designed in a hotel room over one weekend

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The first prototype of the B-52 may have been designed in a weekend. The B-52 of today was iteratively designed over decades and the current H models are entirely different planes than earlier models (although structurally very close to the G model). Another HN commenter mentioned GPS being designed over a holiday. But we spent years and years in the military debugging GPS and making it functional. Claiming that some…

> Another HN commenter mentioned GPS being designed over a holiday. But we spent years and years in the military debugging GPS and making it functional.

GPS/Navstar also wasn't the first system:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transit_(satellite)

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System#Pred...

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_navigation#History

Re: The B-52 was designed in a hotel room over one weekend

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The first prototype of the B-52 may have been designed in a weekend. The B-52 of today was iteratively designed over decades and the current H models are entirely different planes than earlier models (although structurally very close to the G model). Another HN commenter mentioned GPS being designed over a holiday. But we spent years and years in the military debugging GPS and making it functional. Claiming that some…

Inspiration / perspiration?

Re: The B-52 was designed in a hotel room over one weekend

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Great article, despite the painful spelling of "bona fide" as "bonified". I guess they don't have a copy editor.

Language isn't static, it never has been, yet as soon as the notion of spell checking came about, written forms of words started to be frozen in time. If "tomorrow" is a valid rendering of "(on) t(he) morrow", I don't see why bonified is an issue.

Re: The B-52 was designed in a hotel room over one weekend

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It's honestly a fantastic case for incremental improvements over time. There's practically no single part on a modern B-52 that's original to the 1960s since everything has been overhauled and modernized decade by decade. Every attempt to replace it has been (or will be) retired before its EOL.

Platonic question: is it still a B-52 then? cf. the Ship of Theseus

The earlier models were manufactured in the 1950s.

Most of the H models were manufactured in 1960 and 1961, but they have undergone significant airframe improvements, several engine improvements, and of course, avionics improvements.

It's still a B-52, but it's a "B-52H Block $whatever_design_block_they_are_on_these_days" model.

Re: The B-52 was designed in a hotel room over one weekend

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Platonic question: is it still a B-52 then? cf. the Ship of Theseus

I mean in this case yes. Since it is a brand and not a single B-52 physical plane which is being improved all these years.

To eliminate confusion, the current operational B-52Hs were originally manufactured in 1960-1961.

They have undergone significant upgrades over the years, on all systems, including the airframe itself, since then.

Re: The B-52 was designed in a hotel room over one weekend

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Some of the most successful programs are designed either by one person or a small group of designers who were given the autonomy to do their job. This story reminds me of the origin story of the American GPS system which was designed over a holiday weekend by three engineers. If you want projects to work then give a small, qualified group the room to make decisions and turn them loose. If you want to give the appeara…

Reducing the number of engineers wouldn't have made the JSF, CVN-21, or DD-21 programs more successful. The designs largely met the customer requirements, and any technical failings were within normal expectations for innovative programs. The problems were more due to flawed customer requirements, funding limitations, and political decisions to move prematurely into production without adequate testing. For example, the DD-21 was primarily intended to provide naval gunfire support for amphibious assaults but it turns out that's no longer really needed at all.

Re: The B-52 was designed in a hotel room over one weekend

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's honestly a fantastic case for incremental improvements over time. There's practically no single part on a modern B-52 that's original to the 1960s since everything has been overhauled and modernized decade by decade. Every attempt to replace it has been (or will be) retired before its EOL.

How long have the B-52 jet engines had monocrystalline fan blades? That must have an enormous impact on efficiency and performance. They became available in the late 60s. https://www.americanscientist.org/article/each-blade-a-singl...

They're still using the original TF33 engine they were delivered with in 1961. Presumably the fan blades have been replaced many times over during maintenance, but I don't know if there's any advantage to switching to better blades if you don't change the operating parameters to take advantage of them.

There's a plan to replace all the engines with a modern turbofan (RR F130).

Re: The B-52 was designed in a hotel room over one weekend

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The first prototype of the B-52 may have been designed in a weekend. The B-52 of today was iteratively designed over decades and the current H models are entirely different planes than earlier models (although structurally very close to the G model). Another HN commenter mentioned GPS being designed over a holiday. But we spent years and years in the military debugging GPS and making it functional. Claiming that some…

It's honestly a fantastic case for incremental improvements over time. There's practically no single part on a modern B-52 that's original to the 1960s since everything has been overhauled and modernized decade by decade. Every attempt to replace it has been (or will be) retired before its EOL.

> Every attempt to replace it has been (or will be) retired before its EOL.

Though that's probably because it's design is basically "big, boxy, utilitarian sky truck," which is so flexible you can always find something to use it for. Everything else seems to make tradeoffs for some flashy capability, which don't age as well.

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