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“Secrets” about the consumer audio business you may find interesting

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> The cost of building a consumer audio product is generally no more than 30% of retail. 30% COGS (cost of goods sold) is virtually a maximum for items sold at mainstream retailers. There’s nothing wrong with this. These are standard ratios, not some dirty secret. The cost of goods sold is only a fraction of the costs that go into getting products all the way into the customers’ hands and supporting them (customer su…

SaaS is a different subscription model, not a one-off product sale.

Odd comparison, unless I missed something.

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In this accounting context, yes it is edit: source here, since other people are making the same mistake https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/112614/whats-differ...

To be clear, the OP discusses COGS in an electronics/manufacturing context, which refers specifically to the cost of manufacturing the product, and excludes things like marketing, logistics, R&D, salaries etc. It is not at all comparable to the Xiaomi Cost of Sales figure in GP which includes many things beyond the direct cost of manufacturing their devices.

COGS is completely company-dependent, there is no universal exact definition so long as it can be verified to be GAAP/IFRS compliant (which is more art than science).

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How is profit any less 'productive' than any other expense?

Removing any other expense will be detrimental to the business, that is, make it work less well. Nothing will happen to the business if the owners don't get any dividends.

> Removing any other expense will be detrimental to the business, [...]

If you put it like that: just don't pay any interest on your debt.

The only thing that will happen is that the old owners will be wiped out in bankruptcy, and the older creditors will be the new owners.

Since you don't care about the owners, and only about the 'business', this is means 'nothing will happen'.

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> Nothing will happen to the business if the owners don't get any dividends. This was the theory of communism. Empirically, we can see that things will happen to the business if the owners don't get any dividends.

Amazon has never paid any dividends. I don't think anything more needs to be said.

What is that supposed to prove?

Btw, Amazon has done stock buybacks. Which are economically equivalent to dividends, but get different tax treatment.

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Any time this comes up I wonder: isn’t the ideal setup aimed at giving you a flat frequency response curve? Why reviews? Why experts and subjective opinions of online reviewers? Sure other factors can be a part of it like longevity of the product, price for performance, power, but at the end of the day sound quality can be objectively measured, no?

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is this because 90% of consumers are stupid or even idiots and getting more stupid every year?

I think it's because nothing has any meaning anymore. Brands used to pride themselves on quality, but then they realized that the listener perceives quality based mostly on price and aesthetics. Even people who know better.

I remember about 30 years ago, my father was shopping for a stereo receiver. The salesman happily let him listen to them all, and he said, "You know, there's two people in this industry. There's the guys with the lab coats and measurement devices, who say that there's no difference in the line output quality between these amplifiers, and there's the guys who smoke a lot of weed and they say they can tell the difference." My dad, a CS professor, didn't really like that description of reality and still wanted to hear each one, of course. Past a certain level of amplifier fidelity, the speakers, their placement, and their wires are responsible for all of the sound quality.

My dad even used to tell a story about how an acoustics professor at his school used to take a car stereo speaker (cheap, think 1962) and he would put it into his own enclosure, and it would sound better than the expensive store-bought speaker. So he was well aware of this.

But, still, he listened to each receiver and considered its sound quality. But I bet he bought mainly on functional features and his perception of the brand.

Unfortunately, in these days, where the brand can be sold randomly, and old quality brands are recycled by formerly generic suppliers, our perception of the brand is way off. So many people choose based on price.

And, yes, they do think we are idiots. Remember when Sennheiser was selling identical headphones for two different prices, and the $300 ones actually had something added to make them sound worse than the $500 ones, which when removed gave you the same sound? Not only did this happen, but people who presumably were happy with their Sennheiser gear were on here defending the practice like any fanboy.

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In addition to "secrets" there are "mysteries" - like why doesn't anyone make an "Amp" except Sonos, and why is it that one so darn expensive? I guess because they are the only one. https://www.sonos.com/en-us/shop/amp

I'd point you to many smaller retailers... https://outlawaudio.com/shop/ https://emotiva.com/collections/amps and parts-express... I've owned things from all of these places so there's that I guess :)

Outlaw looks nice. And great name. But pricey.

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The problem with audio in general is that its really difficult to find decent reviews of the product. I used to work as a tech in a recording studio (along with a theatre and TV studio) We have a set of nearfield speakers, and that was about it. However audio reviews are basically: "Its got punchy bass" and "sounds a bit woolly" or "has brilliant clarity in the upper regions" are about as descriptive as review get. N…

On the other end of this you have serious audio reviewers who on one hand are professionals and have tonnes of experience, but then you see them review an absolute nonsense product like an audio-friendly ethernet switch(!!!) or "audiophile" NVMe drive, and write an entire article about how transformative it was to their sound(for the better, of course). Then you start to realize that even the best ear is still subjec…

Here's a great example, https://youtu.be/f-QxLAxwxkM -- a CD trimmer that (paraphrasing) "improves your audio quality" and was lauded by audiophiles.

Re: “Secrets” about the consumer audio business you may find interesting

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Are any of these observations "secrets", or simply naive observations that have come home to roost? (Disclaimer: I spent two decades in the hi-fi industry, from tech to sales mgr to product consultant, and I currently work in consumer electronics technology on the software side.)

It's the question of whether the Emperor having no clothes was a secret before the child pointed it out. No? But, yes?

Re: “Secrets” about the consumer audio business you may find interesting

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In addition to "secrets" there are "mysteries" - like why doesn't anyone make an "Amp" except Sonos, and why is it that one so darn expensive? I guess because they are the only one. https://www.sonos.com/en-us/shop/amp

What do you mean? An amplifier that can drive speakers that's also a streaming device? That exists at various price points. Anywhere from a raspberry pi taped to a "dumb" amplifier all the way to various Roon streamers. Although at both super-low and higher price points, things tend toward individual components for flexibility and diy reasons. But that's easy enough to work with to get something that both looks and s…

I mean an amp with only: HDMI eArc in, 5 speakers out, sub out, power button. And <$500. I don't actually want or need the Sonos ecosystem. I also don't want or need a huge, visually intrusive box with dozens of knobs and seemingly hundreds of rear connectors - as is the case with the AVRs. I guess it's too niche for Apple to make one.
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