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Re: Ask HN: What are examples of companies dying due to many people quitting?

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Post by Kapura »

dahart wrote: post #123
Kapura wrote: post #60

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if you'd ever worked on a call of duty you'd realize how foolish a statement this is.

Try not to take it personally, there are both devs who are replaceable and devs who aren’t, and with ~40 Call of Duty titles on almost as many platforms, a million and one people have worked on it, some doing more mechanical port work than others. There’s truth in there; the games industry is tough, and it’s relevant that some studios that (for example) demand lots of overtime haven’t seen any large exodus, or someti…

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Re: Ask HN: What are examples of companies dying due to many people quitting?

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Post by dahart »

ipaddr wrote: post #94
pc86 wrote: post #47

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It's insane to me that this got downvoted. Medical exemptions are a thing. If you truly can't receive a certain vaccine, you should still be allowed to get whatever job you want. But I'm sorry, if you "don't believe in" vaccines in general, or certain specific vaccines that have - for reasons passing all comprehension - become extremely political, you should not be a healthcare provider.

There are many valid reasons for not wanting to take part in the covid vaccine experiment. The first long term studies are due in 2024. Whatever informed opinion you hold the studies haven't come out yet and you are taking a gamble. A gamble society encourages all to take and punishes those it can. If you can't staff your healthcare clinic or hospital because you fired experience doctors, nurses and staff there is a…

This feels biased. Why is catching a disease that kills some people not gambling? I can understand why some people were concerned about this being experimental in the first month after the vaccine distribution started a year ago, though the vaccine had been pretty well studied already. Other mRNA vaccines have existed for decades and had long term studies. At this point, we’ve now done a massive global study and the vaccine has been tested more thoroughly than nearly any other vaccine on the planet. Odds of death with vaccine vs without have been pretty well and conclusively established to go down in the short term, no? Are you expecting there to be some kind of sudden mass side effect years afterward?

Re: Ask HN: What are examples of companies dying due to many people quitting?

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Post by dahart »

Kapura wrote: post #141
dahart wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try not to take it personally, there are both devs who are replaceable and devs who aren’t, and with ~40 Call of Duty titles on almost as many platforms, a million and one people have worked on it, some doing more mechanical port work than others. There’s truth in there; the games industry is tough, and it’s relevant that some studios that (for example) demand lots of overtime haven’t seen any large exodus, or someti…

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> Stop perpetuating shit you read on some gamer forum

Whoa brother, maybe cool your jets and don’t make hasty assumptions. I was a lead game dev for a decade. I didn’t work on Call of Duty, but I did work on some large titles, and I did put in two decades of work hours in one decade. The studio I worked at was always perpetually on the edge of closing, and that was used to push people to work harder.

I also worked another decade in VFX too, and saw the same things. In the mean time, both studios actually did suffer closures for the reasons I cited, and they were both replaced by other studios. If you have experience to share and not just logic, I’d love to hear more about it. Otherwise, I’d encourage being careful about making assumptions. The business world is already tricky and exploitative, tearing people down who point it out doesn’t solve much.

Re: Ask HN: What are examples of companies dying due to many people quitting?

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Post by [deleted] »

ethbr0 wrote: post #118
pc86 wrote: post #106

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The COVID vaccine decreases the severity of the disease's symptoms. Regardless of the other benefits, isn't that enough reason to get it? Firing some nurse who gets their opinions from Dr. Oz and has crystals in their bedroom is a net positive for the healthcare system in my opinion. I want my healthcare practitioners to be people of science, who practice evidence-based medicine, and are willing to change their opini…

Would you rather have a nurse who was a vaccine skeptic or no nurse? Honestly asking.

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Re: Ask HN: What are examples of companies dying due to many people quitting?

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Post by mdcds »

dnissley wrote: post #112
zomgbbq wrote: post #25

Atari in 1983 went from the leader in video game production to completely imploding. In 1979, four of their best programmers left after demanding equity in the sales and were refused. Their CEO Ray Kassar famously said, "You’re no more important to those projects than the person on the assembly line who put them together. You’re a dime a dozen. You’re not unique. Anybody can do ­a ­cartridge.". They left and formed A…

Interestingly, this is kind of an anti-example of what was asked for in the OP. Here, few people quit, not many.

OP here. I assumed that many people needed to quit for a company to implode.

turns out I was wrong!

Re: Ask HN: What are examples of companies dying due to many people quitting?

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Post by ipaddr »

pc86 wrote: post #106
ipaddr wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are many valid reasons for not wanting to take part in the covid vaccine experiment. The first long term studies are due in 2024. Whatever informed opinion you hold the studies haven't come out yet and you are taking a gamble. A gamble society encourages all to take and punishes those it can. If you can't staff your healthcare clinic or hospital because you fired experience doctors, nurses and staff there is a…

The COVID vaccine decreases the severity of the disease's symptoms. Regardless of the other benefits, isn't that enough reason to get it? Firing some nurse who gets their opinions from Dr. Oz and has crystals in their bedroom is a net positive for the healthcare system in my opinion. I want my healthcare practitioners to be people of science, who practice evidence-based medicine, and are willing to change their opini…

The vaccine isn't evidence-based science because it is experimental. You are part of a group of people who decided to take part and provide data. In 2024 when the first long term studies are due evidence-based medicine will begin. It is crazy you are unaware of this. Weren't you required to sign a form acknowledging these facts and allowing the government to become the custodial holder of these records?

On average the people not taking the vaccine are more tuned in, have more raw facts available and have made a serious decision by weighting the facts. Thinking that this group must be getting information from Dr Oz or some other political figure you are against and blinding following is shallow reasoning. They are not the part of society who would blindly follow what they heard on the news or what a popular figure thinks or what society thinks.

Re: Ask HN: What are examples of companies dying due to many people quitting?

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Post by rasz »

Kapura wrote: post #60
Waterluvian wrote: post #56

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But they might be right this time. Many game devs are fungible cogs, implementing a well-defined blueprint. Especially Activision games like Call of Duty. It doesn’t help that there’s just so many devs these days that they can seemingly abuse them for decades and nothing has collapsed.

if you'd ever worked on a call of duty you'd realize how foolish a statement this is.

you mean like Call of Duty: Modern Warfare Remastered? or Call of Duty: Modern Warfare from 2019 not to be confused with Call of Duty: Modern Warfare from 2007?

Re: Ask HN: What are examples of companies dying due to many people quitting?

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Post by mdcds »

Nadacambia wrote: post #54

Not tech-related but it happens with law firms, which are often Limited liability partnerships (LLPs). A notable example is Heenan Blaikie in Canada, which was the 5th biggest national law firm with offices everywhere in Canada with over 500 lawyers. The firm had its most profitable years right before it was dissolved in 2014, mainly due to loss of trust and infighting - partners started leaving the firm and taking t…

OP here

def interesting to learn about industries that I'm not in. thanks for sharing

Re: Ask HN: What are examples of companies dying due to many people quitting?

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Post by ipaddr »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #134
ars wrote: post #121

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It would be one thing if the covid vaccine actually worked well, but it doesn't. It kind of works, but not especially well. Even worse is people who actually got covid, yet they want them to get a vaccine, which is rather pointless for them. Places with that particular policy demonstrate they don't care about science, they care about obedience to authority.

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On this site many people can read scientific studies. Having a medical degree means you can apply to practice medicine for money. Forming opinions based on fact never required one.

Re: Ask HN: What are examples of companies dying due to many people quitting?

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Post by fakedang »

Cyph0n wrote: post #31
buggythebug wrote: post #27

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You know someone works in programming if their name is Anders or Tobias

I know of a Tobias who ended up working as an analyst-therapist before switching to a successful acting career.

Don't know a Tobias, but I've heard of a Saibot. He was pretty much a noob.
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