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Re: Ask HN: What are examples of companies dying due to many people quitting?

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Not too long ago, I worked for a pre-IPO "startup" with ~2,000 total employees. Over the course of a few months, the core of engineering (based in Bay Area) was gutted by a FAANG, out of retribution, because said startup had poached some key employees from the FAANG. After I left as part of the exodus wave, I learned there was an "unlimited" $30+ million dollar extra budget for hiring employees from the startup, lol.…

This is the first time I have encountered the word 'pandemic' being shortened to 'pando' either online or meat space.

Re: Ask HN: What are examples of companies dying due to many people quitting?

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Noncompetes are pretty toothless, even illegal in several jurisdictions. Even then, a company with money and clout to poach talent like that can also stand up for you if your failing ex-employer chooses to lash out.

>Noncompetes are pretty toothless Not true. They’re illegal in California, but in other US states where they are legal they can be quite toothful. I have seen several ex-employees of my prior company get sued and lose. It became a silent doctrine to just leave a two year gap on your public LinkedIn after working there. If you put anything in that period (the length of the non-compete), you were at risk of the CTO sui…

In texas they must have a geographic nexus in them, so if you move from Austin to Dallas, its often void.

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Borland. I worked there up until the mid 90s and then was recruited by Microsoft. They picked off all the great talent leaving barely any competent engineers left. I alongside a ton of other engineers were wined and dined and given a hell of an offer we couldn't refuse. It was insane, I should write a book honestly. I miss those days, it was the wild west of tech.

I’d read this book!

The color scheme I use for vsc++ still mimics turbopascal/turboc++ from the mid 90s.

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Good riddance. I don't want antivax nutcases on my healthcare team. They picked the wrong profession.

It's insane to me that this got downvoted. Medical exemptions are a thing. If you truly can't receive a certain vaccine, you should still be allowed to get whatever job you want. But I'm sorry, if you "don't believe in" vaccines in general, or certain specific vaccines that have - for reasons passing all comprehension - become extremely political, you should not be a healthcare provider.

There are many valid reasons for not wanting to take part in the covid vaccine experiment. The first long term studies are due in 2024. Whatever informed opinion you hold the studies haven't come out yet and you are taking a gamble. A gamble society encourages all to take and punishes those it can.

If you can't staff your healthcare clinic or hospital because you fired experience doctors, nurses and staff there is a lot of politics taking place and very little practical medicine.

Removing those experienced nurses created worse working conditions for the remaining nurses who quit due to crazy schedules. The new nurses are a net negative on senior staff who have to train them. Higher wages isn't going to help attract experienced nurses who aren't allowed to work.

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Or fire nurses and/or pressure them to quit for not being upto date on 3 or 4 vaccines. Think of how many hospitals would have stayed open in Canada without the vaccine cull.

Good riddance. I don't want antivax nutcases on my healthcare team. They picked the wrong profession.

Easy to say that until people are dying because you fired desperately needed healthcare workers.

Across Canada they changed the rules and now Covid positive healthcare workers can now have direct patient interactions.

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/b-c-may-allow-some-covid-positive-heal...

Apparently they can fire people who won't get vaccinated, but are willing to have Covid-positive doctors treat patients?

Something doesn't line up. Apparently being unvaccinated is higher risk than actually having Covid?

Re: Ask HN: What are examples of companies dying due to many people quitting?

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Could you please elaborate further?

not OP but work in healthcare. The culture of leadership in healthcare is frustrating. It's very political with everyone having their own agendas and fiefdoms. Cap it off with ever changing Govt regulations and you end up with a never ending cycle of audits, crazy ideas, and projects that go no where because the vendors are so far behind they don't understand anything. For the last year I worked on a scheduling syste…

> always fun rotation of passwords on over 1000 servers in 3 months that were mostly manual because the vendors all charge for an SOW to do that (oh yeah this is a YEARLY activity).

Why do I smell Windows Server 2008?

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My wife (ER/ICU nursing) walked away from a 25 yr career. She ended up in the kitchen of an upscale grocery store - still working with her hands for 1/3 the salary. (Granted, we could withstand the financial hit.) She would still come home bone-tired after being on her feet for a shift - but much more interested in the work. Not having to deal with the public was another big benefit -the epidemic turned too many peop…

Interesting factoid: "computer programmer" + "nurse" are one of the most common spousal profession pairings. Per a recent HN link/study.

Do you have a link to said study?

Re: Ask HN: What are examples of companies dying due to many people quitting?

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Not too long ago, I worked for a pre-IPO "startup" with ~2,000 total employees. Over the course of a few months, the core of engineering (based in Bay Area) was gutted by a FAANG, out of retribution, because said startup had poached some key employees from the FAANG. After I left as part of the exodus wave, I learned there was an "unlimited" $30+ million dollar extra budget for hiring employees from the startup, lol.…

> a pre-IPO startup that had engineering gutted by a FAANG (out of retribution, because said startup had poached some key employees from the FAANG). After I left as part of the exodus wave, I learned there was an unlimited budget for hiring employees from the startup, lol.

I was at a company that lost a lot of employees to a competitor. The founders ended up generating similar myths (supposedly based on information from trusted sources) to explain away the exodus.

The reality was that they couldn’t accept the idea that anyone would give their employees such large raises, so the only explanation they could think of was that it was some sort of evil retribution plan targeting them personally for something.

The reality is that FAANG execs aren’t going to spite-hire random engineers at exorbitant rates just to fight a petty battle. Even at FAANG scale, budgets are still finite and compensation plans aren’t approved in a vacuum.

I’d take that explanation with a huge grain of salt. It’s more likely that the company ended up on their recruiters’ radar and they simply offered the engineers FAANG market rate compensation.

Re: Ask HN: What are examples of companies dying due to many people quitting?

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Not too long ago, I worked for a pre-IPO "startup" with ~2,000 total employees. Over the course of a few months, the core of engineering (based in Bay Area) was gutted by a FAANG, out of retribution, because said startup had poached some key employees from the FAANG. After I left as part of the exodus wave, I learned there was an "unlimited" $30+ million dollar extra budget for hiring employees from the startup, lol.…

This is the first time I have encountered the word 'pandemic' being shortened to 'pando' either online or meat space.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

It appears to be pretty common.

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