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Re: Ask HN: What are examples of companies dying due to many people quitting?

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what's incredible about this is that Activision remains an industry leader whereas I'm not entirely sure if Atari even still exists.

Ironically however modern day Activision has the exact same attitude of Atari that caused their founding.

Clearly the situation is very different. Activision is much much bigger than Atari was. 4 of the top developers leaving wouldn't cause the company to implode.

Re: Ask HN: What are examples of companies dying due to many people quitting?

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You know someone works in programming if their name is Anders or Tobias

I know of a Tobias who ended up working as an analyst-therapist before switching to a successful acting career.

He got a new start.

Re: Ask HN: What are examples of companies dying due to many people quitting?

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post #31

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You know someone works in programming if their name is Anders or Tobias

I know of a Tobias who ended up working as an analyst-therapist before switching to a successful acting career.

There are dozens of us

Re: Ask HN: What are examples of companies dying due to many people quitting?

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Not tech-related but it happens with law firms, which are often Limited liability partnerships (LLPs). A notable example is Heenan Blaikie in Canada, which was the 5th biggest national law firm with offices everywhere in Canada with over 500 lawyers. The firm had its most profitable years right before it was dissolved in 2014, mainly due to loss of trust and infighting - partners started leaving the firm and taking the money they put in (which I believe had a snowball effect) and lots of partners lost their money.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heenan_Blaikie

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I don't know if it's less work , but certainly the assembly worker definitely delivers more value. Only one of the two killed the company.

That kind of demonstrates the importance and value of a good CEO though. A couple dumb decisions by an assembly worker won't kill a company. A few bad decisions by a CEO can.

I think most job salaries can be linked directly to how much of a difference the employee can make. A complete dud at McDonalds in the kitchen might cost a few thousand on average but the further you go up, the greater the damage or benefit potential gets.

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what's incredible about this is that Activision remains an industry leader whereas I'm not entirely sure if Atari even still exists.

Ironically however modern day Activision has the exact same attitude of Atari that caused their founding.

But they might be right this time.

Many game devs are fungible cogs, implementing a well-defined blueprint. Especially Activision games like Call of Duty. It doesn’t help that there’s just so many devs these days that they can seemingly abuse them for decades and nothing has collapsed.

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what's incredible about this is that Activision remains an industry leader whereas I'm not entirely sure if Atari even still exists.

Ironically however modern day Activision has the exact same attitude of Atari that caused their founding.

No way they don't pay bank the bulk of their irreplaceable programers.

Re: Ask HN: What are examples of companies dying due to many people quitting?

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Atari in 1983 went from the leader in video game production to completely imploding. In 1979, four of their best programmers left after demanding equity in the sales and were refused. Their CEO Ray Kassar famously said, "You’re no more important to those projects than the person on the assembly line who put them together. You’re a dime a dozen. You’re not unique. Anybody can do ­a ­cartridge.". They left and formed A…

the irony is that the CEO probably does less work than the assembly line worker

A lot of CEO's at places I have worked didn't really make decisions. They schmooze the biggest customers. Constantly, 12-14 hours a day.

Re: Ask HN: What are examples of companies dying due to many people quitting?

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Borland. I worked there up until the mid 90s and then was recruited by Microsoft. They picked off all the great talent leaving barely any competent engineers left. I alongside a ton of other engineers were wined and dined and given a hell of an offer we couldn't refuse. It was insane, I should write a book honestly. I miss those days, it was the wild west of tech.

I wonder what makes a company poach like this vs do an aquihire

Aquihires are really only a thing when the target is a start-up with little revenue and limited growth prospects. At the time, Borland was a real company with many products and paying customers.

The majority of Borland products completed directly with Microsoft products at the time. If Microsoft had done an acquisition then they would have sunsetted most Borland products anyway so it would have been a pointless waste of money.

Re: Ask HN: What are examples of companies dying due to many people quitting?

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Ironically however modern day Activision has the exact same attitude of Atari that caused their founding.

But they might be right this time. Many game devs are fungible cogs, implementing a well-defined blueprint. Especially Activision games like Call of Duty. It doesn’t help that there’s just so many devs these days that they can seemingly abuse them for decades and nothing has collapsed.

if you'd ever worked on a call of duty you'd realize how foolish a statement this is.
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