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Re: Want jobs? Encourage immigration

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The US really needs to emulate other countries here. The problem here is that the "immigrant" visa is really the same thing as a work visa, and that leads to a great deal of abuse. For one thing, the eligibility is tied to an employer, who is incentivized to embellish, cheat, and otherwise finagle their way to a visa. The expectation that the visa is temporary also sets a lower bar for entry - even though many of the…

> The US really needs to emulate other countries here. Which other countries are these? As the holder of an employer-tied 3-year temporary Danish work permit, with no possibility to even apply for the Danish equivalent of a green card until I've resided in the country with solid employment for at least 4 years (and passed a language exam, something the U.S. doesn't require), I don't think it can be this one... Though…

Gulf Co-operation Council countries – Bahrain (my country), Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and UAE.

They have separated citizenship from work visas. Anyone can come, they do not need to prove that they can do work that anyone else cannot do, and as long as their employer sponsor is happy with their work, they can stay and work. The governments compete on how quickly they approve the visas and how business-friendly they are in doing so.

The system works well enough that 60-80% of the people living in these countries are not from these countries. They work, study, bring up families and they go back home wealthier than when they left.

(I am missing out a lot of politics here, and there are plenty of things I would want to change, but the GCC does have the most open economy in the world, both for goods and for people.)

Disclaimer - I live in the UK, where my start-up is, because I grew up here as my father came to complete his studies and then became an academic here. I have lived and worked in the USA on H1-B visa and so know first-hand how bad that system is. UK has a similarly bad visa system, I am told, but I love the start-up ecosystem here.

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The US immigration and visa situation is really quite horrendous. For example, I'm an Australian. That means I qualify for (and have) an E-3 visa. What's that you might ask? It's a special work visa created specifically for Australian nationals . It applies for two years and can be renewed indefinitely. What's more, unlike an H1B visa, it's not subject to quotas and the employer doesn't first need to "prove" they cou…

I do agree that the US immigration system sucks. As an Australian, you may not realize the current state of immigration policy in your own country. I'm an American and I live and work in Sydney. I came in on the 457 subclass visa. Not sure if you're familiar with it. It's pretty much the same as the H1B (No E-3 equivalent in the other direction unfortunately). The employer has to prove the job can't be filled by a do…

"457 visa holders are usually required to purchase their own since everyone else is covered under the national health care system."

Not sure if you are aware of this, but if you are not entitled to Medicare, you are exempt from paying Medicare levy (and surcharge), which the rest of the residents do have to pay. Though, you have to get it back with tax refund at the end of the financial year (it is paid with PAYG taxes) after you apply for a letter from Medicare that you weren't eligible.

Private hospital insurance should cost you about the same per year, so it's a fair arrangement, I think.

Re: Want jobs? Encourage immigration

#113

This logic has always bothered me, and I know lots of you will disagree, but here it is: Job creation alone is not a noble goal. It should never be used as a reason for making policy changes. There's an economic fallacy at place here. Jobs, in and of themselves, do not benefit us on the whole. You could give some number of people a "job" to walk around in circles all day long and pay them money for it, but the net ef…

You comment is a very, very important one and I hate that people don't see the difference between jobs for jobs sake and productive jobs.

I mean if all we wanted was jobs we could just outlaw gasoline, electricity and non-human powered generators. That would create jobs for untold millions.

It would also be utterly destructive for our standard of life/health/happiness/etc.

Re: Want jobs? Encourage immigration

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> The US really needs to emulate other countries here. Which other countries are these? As the holder of an employer-tied 3-year temporary Danish work permit, with no possibility to even apply for the Danish equivalent of a green card until I've resided in the country with solid employment for at least 4 years (and passed a language exam, something the U.S. doesn't require), I don't think it can be this one... Though…

Gulf Co-operation Council countries – Bahrain (my country), Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and UAE. They have separated citizenship from work visas. Anyone can come, they do not need to prove that they can do work that anyone else cannot do, and as long as their employer sponsor is happy with their work, they can stay and work. The governments compete on how quickly they approve the visas and how business-friendl…

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Re: Want jobs? Encourage immigration

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The US immigration and visa situation is really quite horrendous. For example, I'm an Australian. That means I qualify for (and have) an E-3 visa. What's that you might ask? It's a special work visa created specifically for Australian nationals . It applies for two years and can be renewed indefinitely. What's more, unlike an H1B visa, it's not subject to quotas and the employer doesn't first need to "prove" they cou…

Mind sharing your immigration nightmare story here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?hl=en_US&fo...

We're trying to get ammo, and then trying to hack together some press coverage to highlight these stories.

Re: Want jobs? Encourage immigration

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Unless you gave the immigrants with STEM PhDs greencards. It just seems odd that a Yankee going to Texas is welcome but a foreigner taking the same job, paying the same US tax - but who was raised and educated at some other nations expense is somehow a threat.

> raised and educated at some other nations expense These are paid for by the other nations, not by the individuals themselves and/or their families? I.e. other nations don't have students paying their own way through college or taking out student loans, or some combo of the two?

Many places subsidize education even when it's not free. Canada for instance.

Re: Want jobs? Encourage immigration

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Do other business travelers experience this extreme hostility at US ports of entry? I don't do nearly as much international travel as I used to, so I'm really interested in hearing others' experiences.

Yes, i am french (from France), been living in Montreal for 5years know, speaks perfect english (no silly french accent), but anytime i have to go to the US i get treated like shit by immigration agent when they see my passport. And it's been consistent across the 20+ times i've had to cross the border. Sometimes they even go into what i believe to be none of their business, last christmas i was coming back from Fran…

Off topic, but I am glad you were offered jobs as a supposed Montrealer, as I am one too and always wondered how easy/hard it is to get a job in the US

Re: Want jobs? Encourage immigration

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post #69

The US immigration and visa situation is really quite horrendous. For example, I'm an Australian. That means I qualify for (and have) an E-3 visa. What's that you might ask? It's a special work visa created specifically for Australian nationals . It applies for two years and can be renewed indefinitely. What's more, unlike an H1B visa, it's not subject to quotas and the employer doesn't first need to "prove" they cou…

> The government needs to accept that tech companies are basically the most mobile in the world.

If that's true, why are you coming to the U.S.?

Re: Want jobs? Encourage immigration

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I feel like the US is the opposite of an "agile" government. Yes. That is intentional by the design of the federal Constitution. A friend of mine, an engineer, was discussing American politics with me and another friend, a mathematics teacher, one day. The mathematics teacher decried the inefficiency of United States government. The engineer replied, "I'm an engineer. The one thing I'm afraid of is EFFICIENT governme…

So what's the reason Americans feel this way? Is there any fundamental reason why efficient governments are bad? What does it mean to say that a government "governs the least"? Does it make the fewest number of laws? Does employ the fewest number of people? Does it spend the least money? All of the above? Some of the above? Why are these good?

Americans don't feel that way.

Re: Want jobs? Encourage immigration

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post #69

The US immigration and visa situation is really quite horrendous. For example, I'm an Australian. That means I qualify for (and have) an E-3 visa. What's that you might ask? It's a special work visa created specifically for Australian nationals . It applies for two years and can be renewed indefinitely. What's more, unlike an H1B visa, it's not subject to quotas and the employer doesn't first need to "prove" they cou…

As late as 1990, half the US population was descended from pioneers. They had big families.
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