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Patreon Lays off 17% of Staff

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Re: Patreon Lays off 17% of Staff

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Recently signed up for patreon but couldn't figure out a payment method. The only option available, paypal, would succeed and I'd be redirected back to the merchant (patreon) but then neither show up in my patreon account nor on the paypal side - and I'd rather avoid giving paypal a cut so this was already a last resort. Open source liberapay was a no brainer (for K9 and F-Droid iirc) but very few creators have a lib…

Maybe that depends on your location? I can use card (debit/credit) and also PayPal. You don't see "add card" in the payment methods page?

Re: Patreon Lays off 17% of Staff

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Patreon could have eaten OnlyFans' cake so easily, instead they seem to be struggling like everyone thought they would when they banned NSFW content in 2017.

I don't understand why they thought that move would benefit them. I don't understand how Jack Conte is still CEO after such a stupid change or how he can say with a straight face that he's "taking responsibility".

Re: Patreon Lays off 17% of Staff

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It’s weird these companies grow this big. How many software engineers do you need to monthly bill a list of people and transfer it to a different list? That’s like a single person saas.

> to monthly bill a list of people and transfer it to a different list

Sounds like a fantastic service to use for fraud or money laundering. It would be a shame if you had to dedicate a ton of employees towards preventing that. ;)

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What does “taking full responsibility” even mean? Like people lose their livelihood and you can get away with “I take full responsibility”. Taking full responsibility mean taking a pay cut or stepping down or basically taking consequences for yourself first before others have to.

You might be overthinking... Jack over-hired. That's it. Doesn't really warrant a CEO stepping down. He's simply empathetic and wants to let people know that the employees are good to hire, and Patreon is still doing well as a business.

Re: Patreon Lays off 17% of Staff

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post #222

Patreon could have eaten OnlyFans' cake so easily, instead they seem to be struggling like everyone thought they would when they banned NSFW content in 2017. I don't understand why they thought that move would benefit them. I don't understand how Jack Conte is still CEO after such a stupid change or how he can say with a straight face that he's "taking responsibility".

I think its reasonable that a lot of creators don't want to distribute their work along side porn.

Does Only Fans have any non-porn content? I really don't know because in my head Only Fans is a place for porn.

Re: Patreon Lays off 17% of Staff

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post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of this is because of the WARN Act in California [0], which requires 60-day notice before any mass layoff. Employers can also fulfill the requirements of this mandate by letting employees go now but having their actual termination date 60+ days in advance. I've been survived a few layoffs that work this way. Good for Patreon to go beyond the 60-day mandated period though [0] https://edd.ca.gov/en/Jobs_and_Traini…

> I've been survived a few layoffs that work this way. How many times have you been laid off?!

None, that's how I survived them ;)

I worked in an industry that's highly cyclical and had major consolidation over the last decade (HDD/SSD storage). We bought several companies and they would do layoffs roughly every 18 months or so.

Re: Patreon Lays off 17% of Staff

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I think this is just the start for some bad things are patreon... This video of execs at Patreon apparently turning a blind eye to employees calling out patreon users that were selling images of underage children: https://twitter.com/TizzyEnt/status/1315626557688483841?s=20... They also laid off their ENTIRE security team: https://techcrunch.com/2022/09/09/patreon-security-layoffs/

I'm guessing this is the Twitter link you meant: https://twitter.com/TizzyEnt/status/1569439160561442817

Re: Patreon Lays off 17% of Staff

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post #222

Patreon could have eaten OnlyFans' cake so easily, instead they seem to be struggling like everyone thought they would when they banned NSFW content in 2017. I don't understand why they thought that move would benefit them. I don't understand how Jack Conte is still CEO after such a stupid change or how he can say with a straight face that he's "taking responsibility".

Patreon probably feared pressure from the Apple App Store.

Re: Patreon Lays off 17% of Staff

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What does “taking full responsibility” even mean? Like people lose their livelihood and you can get away with “I take full responsibility”. Taking full responsibility mean taking a pay cut or stepping down or basically taking consequences for yourself first before others have to.

He's taking responsibility for over-hiring relative to the needs of his business, and taking corrective action for the long term health and viability of the business. This is the right thing to do. Yes, it sucks for the people who lose their jobs, but unfortunately some risk is always involved in an employment arrangement. It would be far more unfortunate if Patreon overspent to the point that their business had to c…

You're textbook correct, I think, but in general I never really understand the CEO who makes a statement about trying to do everything they could to prevent this from happening but there was no possible other situation than laying off X amount of people who were significantly contributing to the company.

Not that this was said in this particular case so directly. This is just a general thought.

How is funding so tight that cutting the 1% of money going to these people is going to make all the difference? It's not even a total 1% gain, there will be some lost productivity making it somewhat difficult to measure.

If you truly tried everything, couldn't the CEO or other executives take a tiny cut? Not that I expect them to, I'm just saying if they truly did everything within their power to prevent it, like is often said.

I mean, sometimes I give a significant amount of my salary, like 10% as donations / tips / handouts and expect nothing back. These aren't even people I did something bad to, like forgot to pick up when I said I would, or felt guilty for spilling food on their carpet.

Surely in situation where I messed up and caused a problem for someone, I would do whatever it takes to make it right. I wouldn't just say "Well, that's what you get in this system of inviting friends over. I'm not technically required to do anything. I guess there's nothing I can do (including picking up the mess I caused or paying to have it cleaned)"

I've seen similar large donations from people who truly struggle to pay for rent and food even be similarly generous. Sometimes people will live on limited food or delay getting an apartment if it means helping out an acquaintance.

If you make millions of dollars, you don't need to worry about these basics. You'd think it'd be easier to take a personal hit which probably will have actually 0 impact on your life (literally no change-- keep on golfing, vacations, etc), rather than supposedly living with the guilt, as is frequently said, of people struggling to survive because you wanted to save 1% of your company's money for a few months (before realizing you need to hire and retrain people from scratch.)

Re: Patreon Lays off 17% of Staff

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This bit from the employee announcement about how they're handling equity vesting [1] is worth highlighting as a pretty classy move, all things considered: > We’re waiving the one-year equity vesting cliff for all departing employees so that everyone has an opportunity to be a shareholder, regardless of your tenure. [...] All departing teammates will qualify for an extended option exercise period of 5 years, and we h…

> what they did here with the equity, especially the option exercise period, is a nice touch.

But it's not all that great. Patreon is not publicly traded, so it seems likely that exercising any options will require cash up front, plus it will immediately trigger taxable compensation (income tax plus FICA). And how will the FMV be determined, if there is no public market trading? (ans.: usually just some number voted on by the board). It may well be that the options are never worth anything even after the extended period.

It is clear that these are not ISOs (statutory options), because statutory options by law only allow up to 3 months to exercise after employment ends.

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