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The last person standing in the floppy disk business

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Re: The last person standing in the floppy disk business

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post #32

One advantage of floppy disks, is that you could safely take a random disk, reformat it and reuse it. Now, however, if you insert a random USB drive into your computer, you run a high risk that your computer will be pwned.

Not true! Floppies had viruses too. Even back in the 80's. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelangelo_(computer_virus)

He did claim "reformat", which tends to delete these viruses. Albeit to clarify you'd also need to clear the boot record, which is not something all DOS format tools would do.

Compare that to USB devices, which contain data that survives to all host-initiated methods of erasure and which may in fact not be storage devices at all; i.e. fake keyboard/mouse presses et al.

Re: The last person standing in the floppy disk business

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Floppy disks (or diskettes, as they are called in Spanish) were very important for my formation when I was a kid. I had a computer but I hadn't internet access at home (very expensive for my family), so I was going to the computer café two blocks away and I downloaded files into the diskette that then I was able to check at home. That's how I downloaded tutoriales (File > Save page as...) and a lot of stuff.

Things became better when I had 2 or 3 diskettes and I was able to download bigger files using Hacha, a free software to split large files. Of course, nothing was worse than arriving home and one of them failing.

As someone said in another comment, I miss the sound and the "physicality" of them. It reminds me of a time when you were offline by default, and you had to go online. Now it is, sadly, the other way around.

Re: The last person standing in the floppy disk business

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I miss the physicality of floppy disks. Picking up a caddy of disks, thumbing through reading the labels, sliding them into the drive and hearing the motor whirr. Nowadays, my caddy has been replaced with a small plastic bag full of chips and thumbdrives. Even though my small bag can easily hold millions of times more data, the little chips aren't a joy to use. None of them have labels telling their contents. All of…

You can put a label on a USB drive. Amazon also has holders to sell you. Contemplating doing something like that for my Steam collection. Would also like an actual dedicated Windows USB stick.

Re: The last person standing in the floppy disk business

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I miss the physicality of floppy disks. Picking up a caddy of disks, thumbing through reading the labels, sliding them into the drive and hearing the motor whirr. Nowadays, my caddy has been replaced with a small plastic bag full of chips and thumbdrives. Even though my small bag can easily hold millions of times more data, the little chips aren't a joy to use. None of them have labels telling their contents. All of…

I wrote about this a few years ago on my blog when I re-fitted my old Commodore Amiga with a floppy drive after years of using SD-card floppy emulators: http://www.markround.com/blog/2019/12/30/back-to-the-floppy/

There really was something special about labelling the disks, the deliberate act of sorting through your collection and selecting one... To me, it feels much like picking out a vinyl record to enjoy rather than having everything "on tap" with Spotify. And then there's the scene it generated which reminds me of the tape trading days of the 80s:

"...Later on, when I eventually got involved in The Scene, floppies brought us together in a way I think is now sadly long-gone. Because we traded disks with each other - and groups typically had members whose sole “job” in the group was as a “trader” or “swapper” - we also wrote to each other. As a particularly awkward teenager (with a bunch of the usual teen issues and a healthy side-order of angst), some of the closest friendships I formed during those years were with the other members of my group. Alongside the floppy disks we’d write long, rambling letters to each other full of everything and nothing. We’d fill our envelopes to each other with “Jiffy Junk” - little trinkets we’d collect and swap: Kinder surprise toys, trading cards and the occasional mix-tape... Even though I think I only ever met one of the guys from my group in person, I still think about them often to this day and wonder what they’re all doing now.

As the Amiga scene gradually died and the BBS (and later, the Internet and FTP sites) became the primary means of obtaining software I think a lot of those friendships were broken. Even though The Scene is still a very close-knit community, I’d be interested to know whether those same bonds exist today when most communication is probably electronic in nature..."

Re: The last person standing in the floppy disk business

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Earliest capture of this guy's original site:

https://web.archive.org/web/19980623131044/http://www.diskdu...

Earliest capture of his site on floppydisks.com:

https://web.archive.org/web/20030330102403/http://floppydisk...

Floppy duplication prices from these pages:

June '98: $0.59 @ 500

March '03: $0.39 @ 500

Re: The last person standing in the floppy disk business

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I miss the physicality of floppy disks. Picking up a caddy of disks, thumbing through reading the labels, sliding them into the drive and hearing the motor whirr. Nowadays, my caddy has been replaced with a small plastic bag full of chips and thumbdrives. Even though my small bag can easily hold millions of times more data, the little chips aren't a joy to use. None of them have labels telling their contents. All of…

It's great to read that on HN. Every time I look at the HN background colour I think of the 1541 disk drive - I'm near certain its colour was either a conscious or unconscious influence.

Re: The last person standing in the floppy disk business

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post #52

Floppy disks (or diskettes, as they are called in Spanish) were very important for my formation when I was a kid. I had a computer but I hadn't internet access at home (very expensive for my family), so I was going to the computer café two blocks away and I downloaded files into the diskette that then I was able to check at home. That's how I downloaded tutoriales (File > Save page as...) and a lot of stuff. Things b…

I remember actually exchanging floppy disks containing images (made in Paint, of course) with my friends via snail mail. It was the original version of Snapchat. Horrible latency.

Re: The last person standing in the floppy disk business

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post #5

Nothing in modern computing compares to the audible and kinesthetic satisfaction of the ka-chunk of a 3.5 inch floppy being inserted into a drive.

The 5 1/4 disks, IMO, had a superior kinesthetic. A much more solid thunk sound when being inserted and a deeper tone while being read. Enjoy, the sounds of floppies :D [1] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnFQZa8SKP8

The ones that I remember had a locking lever which barely made any sound at all.

https://i.stack.imgur.com/8D9f1.jpg

Re: The last person standing in the floppy disk business

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post #32

One advantage of floppy disks, is that you could safely take a random disk, reformat it and reuse it. Now, however, if you insert a random USB drive into your computer, you run a high risk that your computer will be pwned.

Not true! Floppies had viruses too. Even back in the 80's. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelangelo_(computer_virus)

Michelangelo and similar viruses only activate when you boot from the disk it's on. Insert a disk with Michelangelo in a running system, then format the disk (make sure you overwrite the boot sector), all OK.

The operating systems of the time didn't have any autoplay functionality that could be exploited by viruses. I guess in theory viruses could have exploited things like buffer overflows in the OS code that reads the file allocation table or directories, but I've never heard of such a thing, and Michelangelo and similar boot viruses certainly were not that advanced.

Re: The last person standing in the floppy disk business

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

burning dvd/cds was fun. Figuring out how to burn a dvd that could run on a dvd player was fun. Now it's all just done via chromecast. Convenient and less wasteful, I have to admit.

And the Germans had fun naming their software "Nero Burning ROM."

I used Nero for years and 'got' the joke about Nero and Burning, but totally missed the ROM/Rome/German spelling of Rome.

How did I miss that! Thanks for making the joke complete for me ;)

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