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Work is work, in which returns diminish (2020)

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Re: Work is work, in which returns diminish (2020)

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Regardless of the content, it strikes me that this author is a bit stuck in his own head? He uses rare words when common ones will do ("dyad"? What's wrong with "pair"?), passingly mentions obscure terms for no reason, and in general writes like the less the reader understands, the smarter the material was.

Dont mean to pile on (still better to write than not, glad it was linked, etc!) but I agree. It reads as language-fetishizing to me, too in love with little turns of phrase and eddies in the current. Noticed the same thing in Bo Burnham's Inside (lots of attention placed on aesthetic details), maybe it's a consequence of doing it all solo. The older I get the more I admire people who are straightforward and cut throu…

From a practical perspective, I found myself in a sort of context switching throughout the piece, looking up various bits to make sure I understood their use, but also finding myself disappointed when I came to the conclusion that the use of a given piece of jargon didn't seem warranted over a simpler version of the phrase. I liked the topic so I pushed through, but it made it tougher to read than it seemed to need to be.

Re: Work is work, in which returns diminish (2020)

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post #24

Regardless of the content, it strikes me that this author is a bit stuck in his own head? He uses rare words when common ones will do ("dyad"? What's wrong with "pair"?), passingly mentions obscure terms for no reason, and in general writes like the less the reader understands, the smarter the material was.

> author is a bit stuck in his own head ... passingly mentions obscure terms for no reason

My sentiments exactly.

Re: Work is work, in which returns diminish (2020)

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Regardless of the content, it strikes me that this author is a bit stuck in his own head? He uses rare words when common ones will do ("dyad"? What's wrong with "pair"?), passingly mentions obscure terms for no reason, and in general writes like the less the reader understands, the smarter the material was.

disagree - writing advice has skewed too much towards pg-style "write for a 5th grade reading level" making everything sound plain and bland. while thats an appropriate style for clear communication, sometimes you just want to flex your literary muscles, and English offers so many wonderful ways of self expression that are slowly being lost due to boiled down business writing. Coda's technical chops are undisputed AN…

If your goal is to flex your literary muscle, then write poetry, but don't waste people's time.

Re: Work is work, in which returns diminish (2020)

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post #24

Regardless of the content, it strikes me that this author is a bit stuck in his own head? He uses rare words when common ones will do ("dyad"? What's wrong with "pair"?), passingly mentions obscure terms for no reason, and in general writes like the less the reader understands, the smarter the material was.

Yes, I got that "look at me, I'm so smart" vibe off the writing too.

affectation

Re: Work is work, in which returns diminish (2020)

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Humans are probably a lot more like plants than distributed computing systems. Everyone likes a different environment. We bear different kinds of fruit. You can't just uproot a person randomly and move them around and expect everything to be the same. We put roots out into every available nook and cranny, bending around each other to get what we need. Throwing a new person into the mix changes everything. Reasoning a…

You missed the conclusion: > What happens inside the boundaries is important > That we know some of the boundaries of organizational performance and their dynamics doesn’t excuse us from using our empathy to build humane organizations. Companies are groups of people being compensated for having to spend some of their finite lifetimes not being with their partners, children, pets, or super weird hobbies. They deserve…

To me this reads more like "Even though humans can be modeled as distributed computing systems, we have to remember that they are humans because ethics" which is not my point. My point is that the human element is what makes people productive; it's not some tangent that we have to account for. IMO, the boundaries outlined here don't define the upper bound of meaningful work (the author's thesis) but rather the upper bound for mundane work if it isn't made to be meaningful. In the author's model, we'd say that superlinear productivity is possible _for individuals in isolation_ which definitely breaks the analysis since it's all about trying to hit that linear improvement mark. This doesn't strictly mean that their argument is "wrong" because they're reasoning about hours worked as their unit of measure but it does mean that it's not meaningful because a person's individual outputs can vary so greatly for a fixed number of hours worked.

Re: Work is work, in which returns diminish (2020)

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Okay, playing the devils advocate here, but sometimes the "lingo" is useful. Grabbing a "couple of beers" could really mean a "bunch of beers". But a "dyad of beers" is very explicitly exactly two beers.

So is a "pair of beers".

To me "a pair of" can colloquially (see, I did it again) mean "a bunch of".

Re: Work is work, in which returns diminish (2020)

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"Force Dyad" was a plot point in Star Wars: Episode IX (2019), which I would imagine would be a noteworthy enough source.

Unless you refuse to acknowledge that that movie came out.

What movie?

Re: Work is work, in which returns diminish (2020)

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disagree - writing advice has skewed too much towards pg-style "write for a 5th grade reading level" making everything sound plain and bland. while thats an appropriate style for clear communication, sometimes you just want to flex your literary muscles, and English offers so many wonderful ways of self expression that are slowly being lost due to boiled down business writing. Coda's technical chops are undisputed AN…

> sometimes you just want to flex your literary muscle If so, then you usually don't want to mix it with profanity. I mean, you can, but it's a style that went out of fashion years ago.

Who cares if it's out of style? Sounds like an excuse to kill creativity.

Re: Work is work, in which returns diminish (2020)

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Why isn't there a button for this? There's one for the domain as a whole, but not for the full link.

There is a button: the “past” link below the title on this page. The link often works pretty well, but not in this case because the title “work is work” is particularly non-specific. You can easily search for past HN submits and comments using: https://hn.algolia.com/ e.g. https://hn.algolia.com/?query=https%3A%2F%2Fcodahale.com%2F%... or add dashes e.g. search for work-is-work https://hn.algolia.com/?query=work-is-w…

The past button, like you said, doesn't always work like that. And I know how to search. I'm wondering why there isn't a button when people always post comments to achieve the same thing a button could.

Re: Work is work, in which returns diminish (2020)

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It's worse even than that. "At most linearly" is someone's idea of subtle irony. You only get linearity if you discover the existing team is less capable than the newly added members, or you're asleep and this is a dream. If the value of new people diminishes logarithmicly, or much more likely, at the square root of the number of people, you must tackle tasks that a smaller team could not. Otherwise you'll be out-com…

> You only get linearity if you discover the existing team is less capable than the newly added members Could you explain your reasoning? This doesn't seem right to me. If you have linearity, this means that every new individual is exactly as productive as all other individuals

If you get twice as much work done by 10 people as 5, you need to think about what the new people brought to the table, or the old ones don’t.

If the team didn’t have a facilitator, for instance, some team members may not be coordinating, causing issues with finishing tasks.

Because despite having a factorial increase in communication paths, you still got twice as much done? Are you sure?

You have to ask these questions because at worst something bad is happening. At best someone new brought in new techniques that work better than your old ones. You need the answer in either case.

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