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Ukraine is at 28.4%, that probably speaks how much reserve storage they have. After the war it will be important location for Azerbaijan gas transit (via Georgia and Black Sea). The pipeline will take some time to build, but it will make it more likely that they eventually join the EU and NATO as well.

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#102
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It would be much more interesting to see how many days of gas runway each country has based on historical usage.

That would be a very useless data, as gas consumption depends on the price. And the price is at a historic high, so we simply don't know what that means. German Grid regulator BNetzA created forecasts based on historic consumption and assumed savings. But right now we have storage level way above even the most wildly optimistic scenario. This forcast is so hard i don't think it has any merit. You can have a look at t…

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#103
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Aside from maybe the coldest two weeks, the climate is not even uncomfortable if you are inside (no wind or precipitation), wear thick clothing, and move a little. If you do physical labor, you're going to be sweating. Nobody is going to die from cold in western Europe's semi-oceanic climate, even without any gas at all. For the vulnerable, there's plenty of alternative fuels. But we do have gas and lots of it, so th…

So I guess the talk of Europe having a hard winter coming up is entirely overblown.

As somebody who lives there and knows what's it like to be in a unheated apartment: Rest assured, yes it is.

And the fearmongering serves the interests of some people, of course.

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All models and predictions will be based on assumptions, for example, there is a movement to not pay bills. What if the people not paying decide that, since they are not paying, they might as well use as much as possible? All it would take is a charismatic populist to come along and to promote such a thing for any reserves to be gone. I am not sure that having LNG ports makes much difference if you have a minor curre…

Sterling is an anomalously strong and major currency given the UK's size and wealth.

...said my Dad in 2008.

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Aside from maybe the coldest two weeks, the climate is not even uncomfortable if you are inside (no wind or precipitation), wear thick clothing, and move a little. If you do physical labor, you're going to be sweating. Nobody is going to die from cold in western Europe's semi-oceanic climate, even without any gas at all. For the vulnerable, there's plenty of alternative fuels. But we do have gas and lots of it, so th…

So I guess the talk of Europe having a hard winter coming up is entirely overblown.

Economic disruption and having to keep our homes and offices a few degrees cooler than we’re used to will make this a “hard winter” for the two or three generations of western Europeans largely used to staying as warm as they like and general prosperity.

But not “hard winter” in terms of people freezing to death. Even if all gas were cut off (and it isn’t, Norway is still exporting) too many of us still have oil heating and/or wood-burning stoves, and are not completely anti-social.

Plus, as another commenter said, it’s not that cold in a lot of Europe all winter long.

And the places that are? Why, they’re the ones most motivated not to let Putin have his way with their countries and were the angriest with Germany over Nordstream - the Baltics and Poland.

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#106
Typical statistics that tells exactly nothing. If country A has 10 liters gas storage and it is 100% full and country B has 10 000 gas storage 50% full? Who is in a better shape? Hard to say, still - maybe country A uses 5 liters a year and country B 10 000 000 liters a year? Or vice versa. What if country A has long term LPG purchase deals to gasport (like Poland does) and does not have to pay spot price, etc.

Guys behind this clicks farm claim to "Telling data-driven stories about politics, climate, economics, and more.", but they tell no story, I would not trust them.

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#107
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His opinion is perfectly reasonable. Even without the war, Ukraine is extremely far from EU accession standards. It was very nearly a failed state in the early 2010s. Nobody West of the Elbe river wants to deal with yet another ultra-conservative and corrupt state, at least certainly not while veto powers exist. > so what if they currently have issues, they will in time improve Or they'll take EU cohesion funds to fu…

This is why candidate status exists and goals for aligning... Why do you imagine joining would be instantaneous? > Ukraine is extremely far from EU accession standards. It was very nearly a failed state in the early 2010s. That's what long term russian ocupation, constant russian meddling after 89 and now invasion does... see moldova, belarus too.

People not familiar with Ukraine just do not realize how much Kremlin influence fueled corruption and criminal activities in the countries. Transnistria (Russian occupied territory in Moldova) is literally a criminal state, had huge impact on the the southern parts, ORDLO became the same in recent years. To the north Belarus is a dictatorship, not exactly the honest trade partner.

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#108
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> I assume the taps from Russia will turn back on Why? The current trend is to work hard in order to reduce any form of business with Russia that would help them to rebuild the army and become a threat again.

And just after that quote I said: >but it has shown itself to be an unreliable supply Russia is using gas to try and keep Europe out of the conflict. Once the war ends that ceases to be a motivator. Thus I assume they will turn the taps back on. That doesn't mean we want to rely on it which is the whole point of the question. Victory in Ukraine doesn't end this, so what's the end game. Is there going to be a further…

> Russia is using gas to try and keep Europe out of the conflict.

But it's not working, is it? Practically the whole Europe is helping Ukraine, sending weapons and everything we can to help.

It's not the question of how much gas Russia offers, it's the question of how much Europe is willing to take from them. Russia's status is very close to North Korea now - it's just unethical to make business with a state that got mentally stuck in XIX century and still thinks killing innocent people to grab more land is a good strategy.

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Europe is heavily dependent on gas, as the current situation painfully shows. It seems very premature to claim that there is "zero point digging holes in the ground" and odd to claim that they can "easily buy the rest" when energy costs are currently at crisis level.

Do you think that Qatar, UAE, Saudi and Iran are going to stop exporting natural gas imminently?

That's not the point, is it? Although they might depending on the circumstances (again, as we can see right now).

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Surely however, democratic society has its foundation in these things. Without freedom of speech, we don't a free formation of ideas in society, so there can be no legitimate elections. Without freedom to protest and to have political gatherings we don't have freedom to communicate ideas to people who don't see them, and then again, we don't have prerequisites for a functioning democracy I think a) is very dubious--…

You are now changing your argument from "Britain may in fact be the most backwards country, socially" to "Britain doesn't have a functioning democracy". Every country on earth has forms of expression that aren't protected. I'm sorry you don't like that, but it doesn't make it any less true. People have not been arrested because they said "fuck imperialism". Here, I'll say it now. Fuck Imperialism! There is zero chanc…

To, me democracy is something social and at the core of the social functioning of a country. However, these things are prerequisites for democracy, they are not democracy itself and are much more connected to social progress than democracy itself.

That some countries go further than the UK does not change how to view what has been aid.

People have been arrested because of a placard where the offensive element was the word 'fuck' in the sentence 'Fuck imperialism' near an event relating to the proclamation of Charles as King. It has been a major story and has been decried as illegitimate by the British press. Indeed, there is a case of a lawyer being threatened with arrest after expressing the intent to write 'Not my King' on it (https://metro.co.uk/2022/09/13/man-threatened-with-arrest-if...).

Your last remark is not relevant, because such things have not been alleged in any of these cases.

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