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Re: Europe gas storage reserves – by country, updated daily

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Post by mcintyre1994 »

noja wrote: post #54
mcintyre1994 wrote: post #46

I think this would be a lot more useful if it showed the capacity. Our problem in the UK isn't keeping our reserves at capacity, it's that they're tiny. Also what does Daily Trend mean here? I thought it'd be the percentage change since yesterday, but the UK having a negative daily trend and being at 100% now wouldn't work with that.

> I think this would be a lot more useful if it showed the capacity. Our problem in the UK isn't keeping our reserves at capacity, it's that they're tiny. You are right. Check the "Stock/Consumption %" column here: https://agsi.gie.eu/ (choose the correct UK) The UK (post-Brexit) currently has 1.2% of yearly capacity stored, and reserves are at 100% I wonder what the UK gas reserves are for? Demand smoothing?

Thanks, that source has a lot more data! The Stock / Consumption field is especially interesting for comparison. The UK's largest gas storage plant closed in 2017 (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jun/20/uk-gas-stor...), AFAIK there's been no effort to replace it since then. Not sure why it's been kept so low though.

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Post by TacticalCoder »

hellweaver666 wrote: post #39
MandieD wrote: post #27

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A view from Germany: Up to Russian invasion this February: old oil furnaces were being avidly replaced with natural gas ones. Solar installations were starting to slack off. Lots of re-roofing and new exterior wall insulation. Since then: no slacking in the roofing and exterior wall insulation, but now everyone has a keen interest in heat pumps, and solar panels are being installed everywhere. Gonna be hard to convin…

I'm currently renovating a house. My government are offering subsidies if you disconnect your gas supply and go all-electric. We'll be doing that alongside full solar (possibly with battery) and heat-pumps for heating/cooling.

Be careful though: there are regions in the EU where electricity prices went crazy up. I know people who had a fixed plan at 120 EUR / month from an electricity company that went belly up who needed to take a new plan. My brother went from 120 EUR / month to 400 EUR / month for his electricity bill. Sister-in-law got 6 K EUR year-on-year adjustment for her electricity bill (so 500 EUR more per month on average). And a friend, for a big house granted, went from 120 EUR / month to 800 EUR / month.

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Post by WastingMyTime89 »

keewee7 wrote: post #73
WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #16

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There is so much wrong in this comment. >they refused to join the Istanbul Convention Ukraine has joined the Istanbul Convention. >because it violates their Christian values Outside Poland the social conservatism in Eastern Europe has very little to do with religion. Russia and Hungary are full of irreligious/atheist people with some rather controversial views on minorities and LGBT people.

> There is so much wrong in this comment.

I don’t think so, no.

> Ukraine has joined the Istanbul Convention.

I missed that they finally ratified it _the 18th of July 2022_. It’s not like they had a choice. It was a prerequisite to them getting candidate status for the EU adhesion. I’m glade this is starting to bring positive change to the country.

> Outside Poland the social conservatism in Eastern Europe has very little to do with religion.

The majority in the Rada refused to ratify in 2016 because they thought the use of the world gender and the way sexual orientation was presented went against the country Christian values. See this Euractiv article at the time for more details: https://www.euractiv.com/section/europe-s-east/news/ukraine-...

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Post by wikfwikf »

Theodores wrote: post #74
pydry wrote: post #31

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The UK has 35Mtpa LNG port capacity and spain has 44Mtpa which is more than the rest put together though (Germany has 0!), so it probably balances out in terms of screwedness. The UK also produces about half of it natural gas. Each country has differing reliance on natural gas too. The UK is particularly reliant, for example. Only the Netherlands looks well prepared - 8.8Mtpa of LNG import capacity, 120TWh of storage…

All models and predictions will be based on assumptions, for example, there is a movement to not pay bills. What if the people not paying decide that, since they are not paying, they might as well use as much as possible? All it would take is a charismatic populist to come along and to promote such a thing for any reserves to be gone. I am not sure that having LNG ports makes much difference if you have a minor curre…

Sterling is an anomalously strong and major currency given the UK's size and wealth.

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Post by wikfwikf »

aivisol wrote: post #48
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> Poland and Hungary, two countries which should never have been allowed to join and are currently causing the union a lot of issues May I know why exactly these two countries should not be allowed to join EU? Because they cause issues? I mean, every country causes some issues. In the current context Germany and its former government lobbying for Russian gas causes issues of perhaps much larger scale. Tell me about c…

It's not about corruption, it's about illiberalism.

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Post by impossiblefork »

petesergeant wrote: post #76
impossiblefork wrote: post #64

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Yes, but surely freedom of speech, the right to protest etc. are much more basic than the stuff the Polish dislike? As long as the Poles and Hungarians aren't arresting people willy-nilly for protesting or writing things on the internet then they're not even in the same league as the Brits when it comes to social regression.

> surely freedom of speech, the right to protest [are the fundamental determinants of social progression] a) No, that's pretty arbitrary. Every country has limits on freedom of speech and expression, and they all draw the line in different places. b) It is 100% not illegal to express an opinion that Charles isn't fit to be king, that the monarchy should be abolished and so on. No end of people saying just that on the…

Surely however, democratic society has its foundation in these things.

Without freedom of speech, we don't a free formation of ideas in society, so there can be no legitimate elections. Without freedom to protest and to have political gatherings we don't have freedom to communicate ideas to people who don't see them, and then again, we don't have prerequisites for a functioning democracy

I think a) is very dubious-- even things like the 'crying fire in a crowded theater' are associated with suppression of speech that afterwards could be seen to be deeply illegitimate, so even the US assurances concerning free speech are likely to be much too weak.

With regard to b) people have despite this been arrested in the context of remarks such as 'fuck imperialism', similarly with regard to c), perfectly nonviolent protesters have been arrested, even charged.

d) is not relevant, for the context of at least these arrests and charges has been the proclamation of Charles as King and if the proclamation is mixed with the funeral, such an mixing of the ceremonies is outside of the control of those who wish to protest the proclamation.

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Post by housingisaright »

risyachka wrote: post #71
mytailorisrich wrote: post #68

What's rarely mentioned is that many European countries have massive reserves of recoverable shale gas but have banned fracking and are thus depending on imported gas... That's one of the reasons the US are cashing in right now while Europe is having an "energy crisis".

Currently in EU renewable energy is practically 40%. So there is zero point in digging holes in the ground. They can easily buy the rest and quickly grow renewable energy share (basically what they are doing now).

IDK if this comment is sarcastic or not, but this whole situation is due to Europe being naive about buying gas 'easily'.

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Post by WastingMyTime89 »

aivisol wrote: post #48
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> Poland and Hungary, two countries which should never have been allowed to join and are currently causing the union a lot of issues May I know why exactly these two countries should not be allowed to join EU? Because they cause issues? I mean, every country causes some issues. In the current context Germany and its former government lobbying for Russian gas causes issues of perhaps much larger scale. Tell me about c…

> Because they cause issues? I mean, every country causes some issues.

Both Hungary and Poland have been consistently undermining the rule of law for years. Hungary has also started going after freedom of expression and minority rights and let’s not talk about the anti-gay laws for which the European Commission is suing them. The only reason they haven’t been stripped of their voting rights in the EU (the harshest sanction available) is that the unanimity of the other members is required and they shield each other. It’s a disgrace.

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Post by wikfwikf »

Tade0 wrote: post #49
WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #16

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Have you ever been to any of the mentioned countries or spoken with people from there, or is your opinion based on what you hear and see as an outsider?

I've been to Macedonia, Poland and Hungary and I agree with everything said and implied about those countries in the GP.

It is not necessary to travel to Poland or Hungary to be aware that the populist governments of these countries have embraced conspiratorialism, anti-semitism, anti-ziganism, revisionism, homophobia, while openly disregarding liberal institutions such as the separation of church and state, independence of the judiciary, freedom of expression, pluralism. You can simply listen to what people from those countries who do embrace the liberal values associated with the EU project have said about their home countries.

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Post by wikfwikf »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #79
risyachka wrote: post #71

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Currently in EU renewable energy is practically 40%. So there is zero point in digging holes in the ground. They can easily buy the rest and quickly grow renewable energy share (basically what they are doing now).

Europe is heavily dependent on gas, as the current situation painfully shows. It seems very premature to claim that there is "zero point digging holes in the ground" and odd to claim that they can "easily buy the rest" when energy costs are currently at crisis level.

Do you think that Qatar, UAE, Saudi and Iran are going to stop exporting natural gas imminently?
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