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Re: Europe gas storage reserves – by country, updated daily

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Post by petesergeant »

impossiblefork wrote: post #52
badpun wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By your metric, the most "socially backward" country that joined the EU was the United Kingdom, as its the only one that actually exited so far. EDIT: regarding your edit - yep, Ukraine is currently a very backwards and crappy country, basically no better than Russia. While Russia is propped up by infinite monies flowing from the ground, Ukraine doesn't have it, so it's much more dilapidated. It's a small miracle tha…

I don't think that has anything to do with it. The UK is not at all normal socially though. It's a very strange country, what its lack of respect for freedom of speech etcetera. It's been formalizing its authoritarian excesses and made them normal, and I get the impression that the British have gotten used to it and accept it as the way things should be. I can't read Hungarian or Polish, so maybe I don't see these th…

> Britain may in fact be the most backwards country, socially, in Europe*

Probably time to go and touch some grass

* apparently the op has gone back to edit this out of their original comment

Re: Europe gas storage reserves – by country, updated daily

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Post by malcsm »

pydry wrote: post #31
lqet wrote: post #11

To put this in relation, here is a comparison of gas storage capacities in Europe: https://erdgasspeicher.de/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/ines_ga... Here is table from Sunday which also shows the total gas stored in each country, along with the capacity ("Working volume"), annual consumption, and injection / withdrawal capacities: https://agsi.gie.eu/ Missing from the list is Switzerland, which does not have any gas st…

The UK has 35Mtpa LNG port capacity and spain has 44Mtpa which is more than the rest put together though (Germany has 0!), so it probably balances out in terms of screwedness. The UK also produces about half of it natural gas. Each country has differing reliance on natural gas too. The UK is particularly reliant, for example. Only the Netherlands looks well prepared - 8.8Mtpa of LNG import capacity, 120TWh of storage…

According to a recent Lord's debate the UK only has 5 days supply at peak demand, but are planning to re-open a mothballed storage facility to double this. As the UK gets 45% of its gas from its own domestic resources, the gas fields can be considered a huge gas storage facility.

https://hansard.parliament.uk/lords/2022-09-07/debates/9AFA9...

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Post by ben_w »

yabqk wrote: post #12
RandomWorker wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is an emergency plan being executed and expedited to reduce total gas demand by 30%, which just happens to be the amount Europe imports. With half of that 15% this winter.

Reducing energy consumption will only lead to impoverishment.

Fortunately, not all energy consumption is gas.

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Post by impossiblefork »

petesergeant wrote: post #61
impossiblefork wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that has anything to do with it. The UK is not at all normal socially though. It's a very strange country, what its lack of respect for freedom of speech etcetera. It's been formalizing its authoritarian excesses and made them normal, and I get the impression that the British have gotten used to it and accept it as the way things should be. I can't read Hungarian or Polish, so maybe I don't see these th…

> Britain may in fact be the most backwards country, socially, in Europe* Probably time to go and touch some grass * apparently the op has gone back to edit this out of their original comment

Yes, but surely freedom of speech, the right to protest etc. are much more basic than the stuff the Polish dislike?

As long as the Poles and Hungarians aren't arresting people willy-nilly for protesting or writing things on the internet then they're not even in the same league as the Brits when it comes to social regression.

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Post by nikolatt »

lqet wrote: post #11

To put this in relation, here is a comparison of gas storage capacities in Europe: https://erdgasspeicher.de/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/ines_ga... Here is table from Sunday which also shows the total gas stored in each country, along with the capacity ("Working volume"), annual consumption, and injection / withdrawal capacities: https://agsi.gie.eu/ Missing from the list is Switzerland, which does not have any gas st…

On the topic of AGSI, the company I work for published a Python client to work with their API in case you're interested: https://github.com/ROITI-Ltd/alsi-py

Edit: Correction, it's for ALSI, not AGSI, sorry about that. We should add AGSI now that the API is available.

Re: Europe gas storage reserves – by country, updated daily

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Post by ben_w »

pydry wrote: post #9
benj111 wrote: post #3

It would be interesting to know the end game here. If the Ukrainian war ends, I assume that isn't the end of it. I assume the taps from Russia will turn back on, but it has shown itself to be an unreliable supply.

I think Russian bet is that Europe would take 3-7 years to shift dependence away from Russian gas and that in the mean time a lack of access to cheap energy will lead to economic collapse, which will ultimately make the shift even harder. Putin is not testing our resolve but our ability. I suspect the goal is also also to trigger conflicts between EU member nations over energy scarcity. E.g. Germany has enough gas to…

Mm. Plausibly what they think.

I don't know when countries typically shift from economic conflict to kinetic conflict, but I hope that Russian intelligence isn't dumb/arrogant enough to assume that transition has zero probability.

Re: Europe gas storage reserves – by country, updated daily

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Post by Traubenfuchs »

derriz wrote: post #41
Traubenfuchs wrote: post #17

Those numbers ARE ABSOLUTELY WORHTLESS. "capacity filled in percent" is a WORTHLESS METRIC that tells the lay reader NOTHING at all. Austria might have a max capacity of 60% of their yearly demand, Germany might have 200% (made up numbers for illustration). In that case with full capacity, Austria could survive 4 months, while Germany could go two years. Yes, this disregards cross-country sharing, but even averaged a…

The answer to your question "How long can we go without new gas?" would be a meaningless metric if not accompanied with a large amount of qualification. What is meant by "without new gas"? Without LNG shipments? Without local/European produced NG? Or just without Russian NG imports? Without any imports? What does it mean "to go"? To consume at some historical rate? Consumption varies with NG prices - recently consump…

> What is meant by "without new gas"?

I guess that could all be calculated and presented and give us an idea. The looming threat is Russia not giving us any of their gas now, other sources are "safe", so I guess that's the baseline: How long can we go without Russian gas?

> And an unqualified time answer - say one month, for example - would be meaningless as the rate of gas consumption is highly seasonal at various scales (daily, weekly, annually). A winter month is not equal to a summer month for example.

That's why I discerned between "average consumption days" and "timeframe from now on / day x on".

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Post by mytailorisrich »

What's rarely mentioned is that many European countries have massive reserves of recoverable shale gas but have banned fracking and are thus depending on imported gas...

That's one of the reasons the US are cashing in right now while Europe is having an "energy crisis".

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Post by Bayart »

adriancr wrote: post #56
WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #16

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Why do you feel the need to share your hateful/bigoted and absolutely wrong opinions? There is indeed an intense propaganda campaign, but it's coming from Russia and unfortunately you seem to be repeating their talking points. Joining the EU improves and aligns countries, so what if they currently have issues, they will in time improve. We are stronger together.

His opinion is perfectly reasonable. Even without the war, Ukraine is extremely far from EU accession standards. It was very nearly a failed state in the early 2010s. Nobody West of the Elbe river wants to deal with yet another ultra-conservative and corrupt state, at least certainly not while veto powers exist.

> so what if they currently have issues, they will in time improve

Or they'll take EU cohesion funds to fuel cronyism and populism as their neighbours did.

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Post by lm28469 »

aivisol wrote: post #48
WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #16

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> Poland and Hungary, two countries which should never have been allowed to join and are currently causing the union a lot of issues May I know why exactly these two countries should not be allowed to join EU? Because they cause issues? I mean, every country causes some issues. In the current context Germany and its former government lobbying for Russian gas causes issues of perhaps much larger scale. Tell me about c…

Hungarian and Polish mores are far away from what the EU is standing for, the eastern you go the more conservatives the mores are. Nothing wrong with that in itself, sovereign nations can do and think whatever they wish inside their own borders. The problem is that you can't build unity when people have widely different opinions on such basic things, especially when you need unanimity to do anything.

Joining the EU shouldn't only be about getting free money to rebuild your decrepit infrastructure and fund your local mafias. Lots of countries were accepted for purely strategic reason (ie. we prefer them with US than with Russia or China)

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