As a Brit, the monarchy should be abolished.
I agree, but I wouldn't trust our current government to create the replacement political structures...
Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows
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#532Earlier quoted context omitted.
Au contraire. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/09/queens-conse... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/08/queen-... "Queen’s consent is a procedural rule, internal to the workings of parliament and of unclear origins, which requires the monarch’s consent to be obtained for certain types of legislation – before they can be presented for final approval by either house of parliament." Also note…
The Wikipedia page mentions that Kings Consent is a matter of parliamentary procedure and can be abolished with the stroke of a pen. It's just a courtesy to save face for the Monarchy.
Sure, and the monarchy could be abolished by a simple parliamentary vote, and the weekly meetings where the PM briefs the monarch on anything that could hurt the latters financial interests could be abolished even more easily.
Except the monarch is a billionaire with power over even more money and public opinion and elected representatives are rightfully afraid of the monarchy's well funded and well oiled propaganda machine being turned against them.
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> If it’s not written down, anyone can interpret it any way he likes and debate this for the next centuries. What does ‘right to bear arms’ precisely means? Nobody knows. > Still better than millions of different mental interpretations. There are millions of different mental interpretations of the US written constitution. Can you give some examples of parts of the UK constitution that are debated as much?
>Can you give some examples of parts of the UK constitution that are debated as much? If you don’t write it down, no debate, no consensus, everyone believes what suits his life style best. I am not saying writing it down is foolproof. “Write down a piece of document and don’t touch it for 200 years” is definitely not a good idea, it should be updated regularly. But if given the choice today of writing down or continu…
It’s not ‘verbal’ - I’m not sure how you think the UK works? It’s precedent.
> a clear process for the document to be regularly edited and updated
Sounds like you’re thinking of law or code rather than a constitution?
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#534Earlier quoted context omitted.
It ignores the fact that the royal family owns a tremendous amount of assets that are not directly used in tourism or used by the state. And that they live off those taxes and spending. If the UK abolished the monarchy, tourism attractions like Westminster and the Crown Jewels would still exist
Is 20 odd billion £ really a tremendous amount of assets when the government can magic up 150 billion on a whim to cap energy bills? It's peanuts in the scheme of things. The royal family aren't even that rich amongst the billion class in the US.
> 20 odd billion £ really a tremendous amount of assets
yes
> government can magic up 150 billion
that is also a tremendous amount which the next British generations will labour decades to pay off, just so today's pensioners can heat their homes to the 25C they are used to, and still have their ski outings in Zermatt.
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#535Earlier quoted context omitted.
The sovereign grant currently running around £90M/year: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_Grant_Act_2011
By no means am I an expert on this, but it looks like the sovereign grant is a tax refund paid to the crown from the taxes that the Crown Estate pays. https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-57559653.amp
The sovereign grant is paid to the Windsor family, not the Crown.
It is important to distinguish the "Crown" (essentially the monarchy-as-government) and the queens' family and hangers-on...
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#536Earlier quoted context omitted.
What is sickening about a smooth transition of power? The main thing you seem to criticise is the ritual itself, which to me seems pretty normal, albeit grandiose.
There's absolutely nothing sickening about smooth transitions of power between elected officials.
There's no need for insinuation, if you dislike monarchies, just say so.
If you dislike monarchies because of their power transition methods, I'd love to hear that reasoning.
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#537Earlier quoted context omitted.
What is sickening about a smooth transition of power? The main thing you seem to criticise is the ritual itself, which to me seems pretty normal, albeit grandiose.
It is sickening when the transition is from one unelected, parasitic, hereditary monarch to her child.
As I replied to the other poster, if you dislike monarchy then thats fine. But you're basically saying you don't like certain rituals because they remind you of a political system you despise, which is a hilariously roundabout way of shoehorning your hatred of monarchy into a thread.
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#538Earlier quoted context omitted.
> people wearing ritualistic outfits have marched into public spaces in several cities, and declared that a member of the elite has been replaced, the continuum is unbroken. You speak like that hundred years long continuum is not a major accomplishment in state craft. This is remarkable stability and resistance against a popular Tribune of the plebs. Remember that the last US President was asked “Will you really real…
By the standards of the question in the US the monarchy did not transition power at all , and per the article it's not exactly happened peacefully, so what exactly is your point?
I think the point is that the Monarchy provides a stability mechanism, which is generally why its supporters like it.
However I could be misinterpreting the comment.
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#539“Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government” And no, I don’t mean it as a joke If Britain wants to survive the next 100 years, they need to make some brave decisions. Dissolve monarchy and the class system, get back into EU, and hope Scotland will not declare independence. Also, USA, wtf, why are you flying the flag at half staff? Did you forget what you fought about in 17…
What do you mean "dissolve the class system"?
I know the UK has a lot of old money but I can't imagine a way in which this could be "dissolved" peacefully.
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#540The UK media (not just the BBC) continue to profess "amazement" at the speed and efficiency of the transitioning from a dead monarch to a living one. There's been much speaking in awed tones at the pace of the various proclamations, committee meetings, document signings, etc, as if this pace tells us why we should be impressed. Personally I've found it borderline sickening. If there was a curtain that could have slip…
A very biased, dark and over-written take on the scenes & goings-on. These traditions are > 100 years old; what do you expect to happen?
Get outside and spend some time in nature why don't you?