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Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by DiggyJohnson »

krapp wrote: post #311
gerdesj wrote: post #273

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"with all the obedients lapping it up" What exactly is an "obedient"? Are you really deploying a disparaging tag on people who are mourning? That seems a bit crass to me. "we need room for the dissenting voices too" - I saw on C4 (UK TV channel) this evening, some people in Scotland describing their disaffection with the Monarchy. That's fine and quite right. I also find the sheer amount of coverage a bit overwhelmin…

>We will pop out of the other side of this event and the world will continue to turn but we must remember that a King and his bros and moes (sorry!) and their kids and grandkids and great-grandkids have lost a pretty decent human. As have we all. If that "pretty decent human" saw you were on fire, she wouldn't have deigned to put you out with her piss, and neither would any of her "odd lot." She wasn't your doddering…

Wait, is this a reasonable criteria for what makes someone a good person. I genuinely believe she’d stop and alert those around her better able to help to get a fire extinguisher or otherwise attend to the enflamed victim. What is your evidence for her callousness?

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by HyperSane »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #348
matthewh806 wrote: post #109

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I see this exact same comment did pretty well on Reddit too: https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/xckw5v/comme... 1. Not all of the arrests have been made at a "funeral" 2. It wasn't a funeral 3. If you're going to have a very public precession, parading a body through the streets with all the obedients lapping it up, surely you have to have a level of tolerance for dissenting voices? I imagine the disrupt…

I see it as a funeral service and it is reasonable that people be respectful and protest somewhere else.

The UK monarchy do not deserve any respect, they are elitist parasites.

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Post by michalu »

noncoml wrote: post #177

“Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government” And no, I don’t mean it as a joke If Britain wants to survive the next 100 years, they need to make some brave decisions. Dissolve monarchy and the class system, get back into EU, and hope Scotland will not declare independence. Also, USA, wtf, why are you flying the flag at half staff? Did you forget what you fought about in 17…

The tragedy of our times is that all the great political leaders are only to be found in the internet comments.

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by lvxferre »

robomartin wrote: post #390
austinjp wrote: post #327

The UK media (not just the BBC) continue to profess "amazement" at the speed and efficiency of the transitioning from a dead monarch to a living one. There's been much speaking in awed tones at the pace of the various proclamations, committee meetings, document signings, etc, as if this pace tells us why we should be impressed. Personally I've found it borderline sickening. If there was a curtain that could have slip…

One thing I will never understand about people who pretty much hate where they live for one reason or another: Why don't they leave? Seriously. I am not taking sides here. I have visited the UK as a tourist and on business a zillion times over the last four decades. And yet, I am not qualified to voice opinion as to the realities of living there. From the outside, as someone visiting from the US, for lack of a better…

I don't hate where I live (far from that) but I can understand this lack of eagerness to migrate, even when you hate it.

You're still emotionally attached to a few people around you, who might not be so eager to migrate. Migration is often messy, and incurs on financial, temporal, and emotional costs. Adaptation itself also incurs on the same costs, as you learn that your native land's "common sense" is "crazy talk" in your new land and vice versa. There's a real risk that the locals of your new place actually hate you.

And nothing prevents you from hating that new place too, and if you hate it as much as your older place you spent a lot of your money, time, and emotions on nothing. You know that you have incomplete information about the new place. No paradise survives experience.

Furthermore: people are fairly verbose on what they hate, and often their complains about a specific aspect of that place might give you an impression that they hate everything there, or at least hate it enough to be better off elsewhere.

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by nly »

darkr wrote: post #412
toomanybeersies wrote: post #398

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The king is paid from earnings generated by the Crown Estate [0], which is basically a state owned property investment fund. From my understanding, taxpayer money hasn't been used to fund the monarchy since the 1700s. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Estate

The sovereign grant currently running around £90M/year: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_Grant_Act_2011

It's peanuts though? I mean that's about 1000 well paid London software engineers paying their typical income tax.

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Post by rgavuliak »

MereInterest wrote: post #405
brutusborn wrote: post #339

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What is sickening about a smooth transition of power? The main thing you seem to criticise is the ritual itself, which to me seems pretty normal, albeit grandiose.

There's absolutely nothing sickening about smooth transitions of power between elected officials.

A considerable part of the US seems to disagree

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Post by morelisp »

javajosh wrote: post #421
austinjp wrote: post #327

The UK media (not just the BBC) continue to profess "amazement" at the speed and efficiency of the transitioning from a dead monarch to a living one. There's been much speaking in awed tones at the pace of the various proclamations, committee meetings, document signings, etc, as if this pace tells us why we should be impressed. Personally I've found it borderline sickening. If there was a curtain that could have slip…

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> Monarchy is a human default government.

There is literally no evidence for this.

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Post by HyperSane »

makeitdouble wrote: post #387
quadrifoliate wrote: post #278

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As an American, it is hard for me to properly grasp the fact that the UK almost seems closer to Saudi Arabia than the US in this regard. It does not seem like having a "fuck imperialism" sign should ever get you arrested in a country that is supposedly one of the closest allies of the US.

I'm kinda puzzled. I know the US is wide and there's many pockets of everything, but in so many ways the US seems more religious and actively putting it into laws than the UK. Digging far away, only the US tried to ban alcohol consumption, an angle only islamic countries are also interested in as far as I know. Looking back only a few weeks ago, abortion protection has been abolished nation wide. To only take super s…

The US banned alcohol because at the time we consumed an absolutely HUGE amount and it was causing all kinds of social ills like wife-beating and child neglect.

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Post by illiac786 »

13of40 wrote: post #394
stjohnswarts wrote: post #345

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I don't get this, it's not like the king of england has any real power. I know it's a waste of tax money but the US governments wastes tax money all day long too, as do all governments on pork projects and subsidies.

The king of England can't be arrested or sued, so that puts a huge amount of asymmetry into this situation. You get arrested for shouting during his parade, but he could (and please anyone, correct me if I'm wrong) shoot you in Trafalgar Square and get away with it.

Define “get away with it”. I sincerely doubt there wouldn’t be dire consequences for him and I am convinced he would have to subsequently abdicate.

But prison might not be in it for him, that I agree. Or some very special prison.

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by Ekaros »

HyperSane wrote: post #475
brutusborn wrote: post #339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is sickening about a smooth transition of power? The main thing you seem to criticise is the ritual itself, which to me seems pretty normal, albeit grandiose.

It is sickening when the transition is from one unelected, parasitic, hereditary monarch to her child.

Ah, so we should do away with inheritance in general.
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