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Re: Adobe Photoshop: Counterfeit deterrence system

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Making Monopoly money for the kids? You cannot make counterfeit currency with Photoshop. Paper money has security features that won't even convert to pixels in the first place, like holograms, transparencies and fibers embedded in the paper and such, never mind reproduce by conventional printing. This whole deterrence system is idiotic. People who accept an obviously fake printed copy of a banknote basically deserve…

> People who accept an obviously fake printed copy of a banknote basically deserve it; Nobody deserves to be defrauded.

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Re: Adobe Photoshop: Counterfeit deterrence system

#73

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Making Monopoly money for the kids? You cannot make counterfeit currency with Photoshop. Paper money has security features that won't even convert to pixels in the first place, like holograms, transparencies and fibers embedded in the paper and such, never mind reproduce by conventional printing. This whole deterrence system is idiotic. People who accept an obviously fake printed copy of a banknote basically deserve…

> People who accept an obviously fake printed copy of a banknote basically deserve it; Nobody deserves to be defrauded.

If it saves at least one person from being defrauded...

Re: Adobe Photoshop: Counterfeit deterrence system

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What legitimate use case can you think of where the benefit of faithfully reproducing currency is not outweighed by the need to prevent the proliferation of counterfeit currency?

Making Monopoly money for the kids? You cannot make counterfeit currency with Photoshop. Paper money has security features that won't even convert to pixels in the first place, like holograms, transparencies and fibers embedded in the paper and such, never mind reproduce by conventional printing. This whole deterrence system is idiotic. People who accept an obviously fake printed copy of a banknote basically deserve…

> People who accept an obviously fake printed copy of a banknote basically deserve it

This is easy to say from a position of privilege, but the people trying to pass fake banknotes will just find weak targets. In hurried situations, in the dark, to the elderly, disabled, preoccupied, etc.

Re: Adobe Photoshop: Counterfeit deterrence system

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Making Monopoly money for the kids? You cannot make counterfeit currency with Photoshop. Paper money has security features that won't even convert to pixels in the first place, like holograms, transparencies and fibers embedded in the paper and such, never mind reproduce by conventional printing. This whole deterrence system is idiotic. People who accept an obviously fake printed copy of a banknote basically deserve…

> People who accept an obviously fake printed copy of a banknote basically deserve it; it goes with their collection of wooden nickels. Define "obviously". Black and white on copy paper? Sure. But color ink, on paper of the right color and feel? That's different. Forget the fibers and the holograms--we're not worried about people printing $20s and $100s to buy a high-end TV. It's singles and fives for groceries and h…

> But color ink, on paper of the right color and feel?

Someone pulling off right color and feel is not going to be stopped by CBCDG's crusade to put some nonsense into Adobe Photoshop.

Re: Adobe Photoshop: Counterfeit deterrence system

#77

More proprietary software treating their users like criminals as the default.

What legitimate use case can you think of where the benefit of faithfully reproducing currency is not outweighed by the need to prevent the proliferation of counterfeit currency?

Consider it a form of universal basic income

Re: Adobe Photoshop: Counterfeit deterrence system

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A few years ago I extracted the CDS logic and got it working in Linux so I could experiment with it: https://twitter.com/taviso/status/902997594460135424 I had planned to see if I could come up with an image that would still be detected even with significant distortion, and then print it on a t-shirt... The idea being you couldn't open a photograph of me in PhotoShop! :) I got sidetracked, but I should get back to th…

You really should! That’s a freaking awesome cyberpunk-style idea.

https://cvdazzle.com/

Re: Adobe Photoshop: Counterfeit deterrence system

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I had the same thought. I made a T-shirt with the EURion constellation on it. It did work, kind of, but not as well as I liked - distance and angle mattered a lot. My original goal was to wear it for official documentation, but that went less well. It was cut off in my drivers license photo, and I forget why, but I never ended up wearing it for passport photos. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EURion_constellation

US passports are clear that only your face should be in the photograph. I can't think of any passport, drivers license, or even employee ID that didn't crop the photo at most below the collarbone. A face tattoo, on the other hand...

they're just freckles, honest!

Re: Adobe Photoshop: Counterfeit deterrence system

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> People who accept an obviously fake printed copy of a banknote basically deserve it; it goes with their collection of wooden nickels. Define "obviously". Black and white on copy paper? Sure. But color ink, on paper of the right color and feel? That's different. Forget the fibers and the holograms--we're not worried about people printing $20s and $100s to buy a high-end TV. It's singles and fives for groceries and h…

> But color ink, on paper of the right color and feel? Someone pulling off right color and feel is not going to be stopped by CBCDG's crusade to put some nonsense into Adobe Photoshop.

Yes, the feel of the paper in particular is impossible to casually replicate. However, what makes you think a particular minimum wage employee can actually feel the paper? People get injuries that affect their senses in weird ways. It’s still not fair to say that they “deserve it.”

That said, I agree that Photoshop should not have this code. It’s on the Photoshop user to not be an asshole. That shouldn’t be Adobe’s problem.

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