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Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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We're not talking about the right to bodily autonomy, we're talking about doing scientific research and forming and expressing opinions. By your logic, we should rip down all the signs legally mandated in bar bathrooms informing people that alcohol during pregnancy causes birth defects.

> we're talking about doing scientific research While the article concerns a study, I responded to the OP of this thread, which is scrutinizing, "Why are pregnant women smoking weed to begin with?" Now you have just advanced a straw man argument, as the topic of this thread is not research nor your defense of opinions, but rather, scrutinizing pregnant women.

It’s exactly what I said it is and you are engaged in politically motivated reasoning as evidenced by other subthreads and not making good faith assertions. The only one straw manning others is you.

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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What an interesting, and dare I say nuanced, point. Let’s add to it how good fats can become bad through releasing free radicals, which happens at approximately the same temperature that a lot of animal fats are cooked at.

A few years ago, I did some reading on PubMed to figure out what fats are best to cook with. Came to the conclusion that extra virgin olive oil, which papers use the acronym "EVOO" for, is best for frying, whether that's pan or deep frying, and cooking in general. It's high in monounsaturated fats and studies found that various compounds in EVOO prevent the formation of free radicals, volatile organic compounds, alde…

Adam Ragusea does a lot of well researched videos around food science, and did one around using olive oil, even past the smoke point, fairly recently - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_aFHrzSBrM

Some good interviews with food scientists, etc. Interesting for anyone wanting to learn a bit more on this subject.

I've swapped to using EVOO for most anything where it won't be too overpowering of a taste.

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Agreed, it is the general public propagating this. Just go onto Reddit and you’ll see it everywhere. For cannabis I find the attitude pretty scary, having been a daily user myself several times (including now) and dealing with the side effects. It does have negatives. I would hate for everyone to have to learn that the hard way or for them to misidentify the causes, though even those side effects are pretty mild - so…

I also go through phases of daily use. Quit for awhile, then dip back into it to I.e. deal with flu symptoms, special occasion, or when I really feel the need to disassociate from life’s stresses. I won’t go so far as to say it’s addictive for everyone but it’s is incredibly addictive for me . Daily symptoms include: * wake up more tired * wake up with mild morning sickness * wake up a bit foggy * higher tolerance to…

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Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Trans fats are now banned in the US so there's not much of a need to look.

just went shopping yesterday (Southern California) and much of the peanut butter still has trans fats.

There's many brands which have fully-hydrogenated oil, but I'm not aware of any still using partially-hydrogenated (what people typically mean when they're talking about trans fats), and I don't believe they're allowed to now.

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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> I'm not aware of any proponents of driving while high. > Again, who's advocating for pregnant women to consume cannabis? I thought the comment was making clear what was considered a risk, not what is being advocated? People certainly do drive while under the effects of cannabis, I've known a few. I don't know anyone who consumed it while pregnant but I'm sure they do exist. > I'm not sure anyone thinks you should s…

I think I mistook the intent of the original post.

Fair enough

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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I don't think there are any researchers saying marijuana is anything but beneficial. It's every day people. Same thing for psychedelics. There was a thread on LSD the other day and I had to point out twice that HPPD happens as a result, and is a disorder that can cause significant mental distress. Honestly I think it only does a disservice to the cause to make claims like that

Agreed, it is the general public propagating this. Just go onto Reddit and you’ll see it everywhere. For cannabis I find the attitude pretty scary, having been a daily user myself several times (including now) and dealing with the side effects. It does have negatives. I would hate for everyone to have to learn that the hard way or for them to misidentify the causes, though even those side effects are pretty mild - so…

I don't know if it's happening more now than in the past, but it's really just magical thinking -- people believing something is true because they want it to be true.

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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I’m glad this research is being done. I don’t use cannabis, but I also don’t frown upon it. However some of the conversations on the use of cannabis recently have changed from “it’s a drug, but it isn’t that bad” to “it is completely harmless”. Which in my opinion is very dangerous and could harm entire populations before we have enough research. In my opinion, it should be considered similar category as alcohol, cig…

> However some of the conversations on the use of cannabis recently have changed from “it’s a drug, but it isn’t that bad” to “it is completely harmless”. Or even worse, "it's nothing but beneficial!". And yes, I'm a semi-regular "user"

I think some of the confusion stems from the fact the “medicinal” happened in some places before “recreational” happened. At least that’s how it played out in Massachusetts.

It required a prescription, so doctors were saying to take it, so it gives it more of a vener of safety.

Plus it’s not like it wasn’t readily available for people to try before.

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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I’m glad this research is being done. I don’t use cannabis, but I also don’t frown upon it. However some of the conversations on the use of cannabis recently have changed from “it’s a drug, but it isn’t that bad” to “it is completely harmless”. Which in my opinion is very dangerous and could harm entire populations before we have enough research. In my opinion, it should be considered similar category as alcohol, cig…

> However some of the conversations on the use of cannabis recently have changed from “it’s a drug, but it isn’t that bad” to “it is completely harmless”. Or even worse, "it's nothing but beneficial!". And yes, I'm a semi-regular "user"

Or even worse, "it's a sure-fire one way trip to an early grave via hell. Winners don't do drugs. Just say no." It hasn't gone away, people continue to go to jail because of this belief.

Beyond that when the idiocy of such claims are laid bare and it is evident that it was an insane, designed to scare, mountain of evidence-free lies "for the greater good - if we save even one child...", people stop believing what is said by "authority" on a kind of wholesale basis. Can you blame them? "Weed is a healthfood" isn't really much worse than the just say no truth disaster. People made money out of both sets of lies as well.

The pandemic really laid it in stark relief the amount of "authority propagated claims" that were actually wholly evidence-free and the lack of critical assessment of evidence by such authority (remember the "masks don't work, can't be transmitted through the air" line sprouted by people in white coats with PhD after their name claiming "the science"? Be they WHO, Fauci, NHS and all the rest of them?) We all actually had to go and do all that assessment of evidence and probability for ourselves because the authority was both lying and incompetent. No doubt many of us got our assessment "wrong" in avoidable ways if the highly trained had not also decided to "lie for the greater good" and merely stated what was known with the appropriate estimate of its certainty. [1]

It's always a mistake to knowingly tell lies leaning on the podium of authority, the interest always comes due and the rate is more than just unreasonably steep.

How bad is this one going to be? The incarceration level is bad enough by itself.

"What's the evidence for that?" When this provokes anger rather than being directed to published results, it's time to be /very/ suspicious. There hasn't ever been a reckoning for those who claimed authority to repeat lies, demanding their resignation at the minimum seems appropriate.

[1] https://www.wired.com/story/the-teeny-tiny-scientific-screwu...

Decades of trained and qualified anointed robe wearing doctors and scientific researchers believing and repeating something in a textbook, copied from another textbook which got it from a grandparent textbook and never actually asked "what is the evidence in support of that? Where are the studies and replications?" It's really sobering. Do you think the places where you go indoors have updated their airflow accordingly yet? Do we have government minimum standards in building codes yet or even "in the pipeline?" Will you believe "authority" next crisis?

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Palm oils in particular are not very healthy and are suspected to be a leading cause of diet-induced heart disease. Not all fats are created equally, or in equal proportions. Palm oils are high in specific saturated fats that are linked to cardiovascular disease. Palm oils are some of the most common fats found in prepared foods, especially foods that need solid fats at room temperatures. The majority of peanut butte…

I don't know where you're getting that idea about peanut butter and palm oil, it isn't true of the major US peanut butter brands https://www.peanutbutter.com/peanut-butter/creamy https://www.jif.com/peanut-butter/creamy/creamy-peanut-butte...

Same major manufacturers, different SKUs, palm oil in the "natural" versions since hydrogenated vegetable oil is not exactly natural:

https://www.peanutbutter.com/peanut-butter-spread/natural-cr...

https://www.jif.com/peanut-butter/natural/creamy

Seems like a good time to remind people that if the oil is not domestic, it most likely comes in chemical tankers:

https://www.agflow.com/commodity-trading-101/a-guide-to-chem...

Your previous cargo might have been benzene or acrylonitrile.

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

#260

In Canada, we have neighbours who smoke weed and cultivate plants. It is pretty terrible .. our yards are so small and close together, we smell weed all the time. Pretty much since the laws have relaxed, we have not been able to use our yard in peace. We are concerned as we are exposing our kids to second hand smoke. The effects can't be good. Million dollar houses and this is the crap we get.

How much smoke can a few people smoking cannabis possibly produce, and what tiny fraction of that can get into your house?. I bet you wouldn't complain as much about your neighbors burning wood/coal during a barbecue and that releases way more toxins that also can't be good.

If people are going to smoke something I would rather them do it in their house. Even though cannabis is legal where I live I have never been into a public space where people where stinking up the place. The same cannot be said for tabacco. I'm glad at least most of the cannabis users seem to be doing it in their homes.

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