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Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by lolinder »

culi wrote: post #349
afarrell wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Did you forget what you fought about in 1776? Not having our views represented in parliament whilst having our taxes decreased to bail out the British East India Company.

It's always funny to see how many Americans truly believe in this founding myth. The American revolution was supported by around 30% of the colonists by the time it started. And that was only after the media-owning elites spent years churning out non-stop pieces trying to promote the perspective. Of course the taxes primarily affected those wealthy elites and they knew a revolution would significantly benefit them Do…

Do you have a citation for these claims about the debts? I've seen a lot of different disparaging claims about figures in American history, but I've got to admit this one is new to me, and I can find no citations through Google.

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by cuteboy19 »

foobarian wrote: post #376
Somatochlora wrote: post #370

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There's nothing about having a monarch as the head of state that requires so much ceremony and attention. We could stop putting the king on currency, not have official periods of mourning, relegate news about the royal to the tabloids etc. without making any changes to how the government is structured.

To paraphrase "Mother," Italians have their food, [censored] have their music, the CIA have the United States of America, and the Brits have their King/Queen. And once you have a Thing, it makes sense to be good at it, hence nice ceremonies, attention, and world wide respect.

I would think that the French have better food

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Post by bee_rider »

robomartin wrote: post #390
austinjp wrote: post #327

The UK media (not just the BBC) continue to profess "amazement" at the speed and efficiency of the transitioning from a dead monarch to a living one. There's been much speaking in awed tones at the pace of the various proclamations, committee meetings, document signings, etc, as if this pace tells us why we should be impressed. Personally I've found it borderline sickening. If there was a curtain that could have slip…

One thing I will never understand about people who pretty much hate where they live for one reason or another: Why don't they leave? Seriously. I am not taking sides here. I have visited the UK as a tourist and on business a zillion times over the last four decades. And yet, I am not qualified to voice opinion as to the realities of living there. From the outside, as someone visiting from the US, for lack of a better…

Uprooting your life to move to another country is a big decision, and while your country might not be perfect, there may not be a country that treats immigrants as well as your original country does native citizens, or if there is, it might not be easy to get in to.

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by bglazer »

robomartin wrote: post #390
austinjp wrote: post #327

The UK media (not just the BBC) continue to profess "amazement" at the speed and efficiency of the transitioning from a dead monarch to a living one. There's been much speaking in awed tones at the pace of the various proclamations, committee meetings, document signings, etc, as if this pace tells us why we should be impressed. Personally I've found it borderline sickening. If there was a curtain that could have slip…

One thing I will never understand about people who pretty much hate where they live for one reason or another: Why don't they leave? Seriously. I am not taking sides here. I have visited the UK as a tourist and on business a zillion times over the last four decades. And yet, I am not qualified to voice opinion as to the realities of living there. From the outside, as someone visiting from the US, for lack of a better…

Some people want to try to fix the problems with the place they live.

Part of doing this is being really loud and annoying about problems

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by [deleted] »

Zach_the_Lizard wrote: post #178
lliamander wrote: post #108

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It may not be good that people are being arrested for rudeness, but it is definitely better than them being arrested for their political views.

Is someone who rudely suggests support for the monarchy going to be arrested? I suspect not.

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Post by [deleted] »

gerdesj wrote: post #344
HL33tibCe7 wrote: post #292

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It was a terrible tragedy, but it’s patently absurd that we should give someone a jail sentence for making a joke about it. (The jail sentence was suspended, but that’s hardly the point. Any criminal conviction, even a fine, carries the ultimate threat of jail, or, if you resist arrest, even death — all this, for a joke).

Are you sure you condone joking about the deaths of people in Grenfell Tower? I've lived on these shores (South Somerset) for 52 years now and I have made the most awful jokes about some things as anyone probably has here. However, there is a point beyond which I won't go - causing deliberate hurt. I don't know about the particular case that you refer to or actually skirt around - citation needed please. A joke does…

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Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by ksaj »

metadat wrote: post #423
foobarian wrote: post #376

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To paraphrase "Mother," Italians have their food, [censored] have their music, the CIA have the United States of America, and the Brits have their King/Queen. And once you have a Thing, it makes sense to be good at it, hence nice ceremonies, attention, and world wide respect.

Huh? Who "has their music"? Why censor? If it's a racial slur, please stop repeating it.

It's a line by Joe Pesci in the movie The Good Shepherd. Not that it justifies anything.

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Post by colejohnson66 »

13of40 wrote: post #394
stjohnswarts wrote: post #345

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I don't get this, it's not like the king of england has any real power. I know it's a waste of tax money but the US governments wastes tax money all day long too, as do all governments on pork projects and subsidies.

The king of England can't be arrested or sued, so that puts a huge amount of asymmetry into this situation. You get arrested for shouting during his parade, but he could (and please anyone, correct me if I'm wrong) shoot you in Trafalgar Square and get away with it.

Many people believe Princess Diana was murdered. If she was, there’s literally jack squat that could be done about it. What are they gonna do? Arrest the Queen?

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by nopenopenopeno »

Somatochlora wrote: post #370
alphaddx wrote: post #350

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I'm genuinely interested to know what you think should happen after a monarch passes. This has been the process for over 1000 years and while we have a constitutional monarchy this is what happens. I'm actually not in favour of a monarchy myself but I don't get how people would be surprised at what's currently happening.

There's nothing about having a monarch as the head of state that requires so much ceremony and attention. We could stop putting the king on currency, not have official periods of mourning, relegate news about the royal to the tabloids etc. without making any changes to how the government is structured.

I am entertained that your complaint is about the media instead of the ridiculousness of the UK having a royal family in 2022.

Personally, I like it as a humiliating reminder of the contradictions of liberalism and the ruling class.

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by retcore »

mrcsd wrote: post #399
lern_too_spel wrote: post #388

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It isn't even allowed to come to a vote. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King%27s_Consent

That's not correct, crown consent cannot stop a vote. And regardless of this, parliament is sovereign [0], that supremacy overrides any power any monarch could have in the UK. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_sovereignty

The Crown actually has legislative veto, approval and elective immunity via this intervention prior to the release of draft legislation prior to parliamentary debate:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/series/queens-consent

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