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Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by rhacker »

This is what fake news is made of:

Something that 0.0001% of the population is doing (protesting)

The ONLY story that makes it on the various news sites (it's eye catching)

Everyone gets a skewed reality that no one likes this new King and has been against the monarchy this entire time.

We had another study a few days ago about how one way to convince people to change their mind is to convince them that everyone else already has. The media is controlling people more than anyone realizes.

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by doctor_eval »

geenew wrote: post #377

The monarchy has only fared well if it changes with the times, which it has, gradually giving more power to parliament over the centuries. We have gone from a system of divine right to a harmless institution that provides an apolitical centre. In a practical sense, the institution today is unrecognizable from the institution 1,000 years ago. And there is no reason to think it will not continue to change, gradually, a…

> For better or worse, the monarch is the legitimate sovereign.

Legitimacy is not a currency; it derives directly from consent. If the “we, now living” no longer consent to a monarch, then the monarch has no legitimacy.

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by quibono »

xani_ wrote: post #371
stjohnswarts wrote: post #345

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get this, it's not like the king of england has any real power. I know it's a waste of tax money but the US governments wastes tax money all day long too, as do all governments on pork projects and subsidies.

The whole monarch clowfest does bring tourism in so it might be not complete waste of tax money

I've heard that many times but I've always wondered whether is is a net positive given all the tax spending that goes towards the royal family. I guess we'll never know since it's impossible to tell exactly how much tourism is in part based on the queen/king/monarchy sentiment.

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by barrysteve »

deskamess wrote: post #334
snickerbockers wrote: post #269

How much power does the British monarch still have? I'm from America so I didn't learn much in school about British history post-1776, but my understanding is that they never had an event like the French Revolution or American Revolution that suddenly ended their monarchy, just a long series of minor reductions in the royal family's power going back to the Magna Carta. From my own (admittedly uneducated on this topic…

> British government doesn't make any sense as it looks like a modern republic from a distance A Canadian perspective... Did you know that king has to approve all of Canada's laws? So when Canadians elect their government, and that people-elected govt passes a law, that's not good enough to become law. It has to get Royal Assent from the current king/queen. Canadians even pledge allegiance to the 'King and his heirs'…

All aussie MPs and military swear an oath to the monarch.

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by esharte »

The issue is the "Mourning period" is being used as cover to crown a new monarch with no opposition. People are being told "not now", and how disrespectful they are.

This is by design.

Meanwhile it's somehow not disrespectful to replace the Queen within hours.

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by soared »

esharte wrote: post #385

The issue is the "Mourning period" is being used as cover to crown a new monarch with no opposition. People are being told "not now", and how disrespectful they are. This is by design. Meanwhile it's somehow not disrespectful to replace the Queen within hours.

How would a monarch have opposition?

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Post by makeitdouble »

quadrifoliate wrote: post #278
Havoc wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>They are being arrested for being rude about it. Which is substantially worse. Rudeness is so subjective and context sensitive that it really shouldn't form the basis for arrests

As an American, it is hard for me to properly grasp the fact that the UK almost seems closer to Saudi Arabia than the US in this regard. It does not seem like having a "fuck imperialism" sign should ever get you arrested in a country that is supposedly one of the closest allies of the US.

I'm kinda puzzled. I know the US is wide and there's many pockets of everything, but in so many ways the US seems more religious and actively putting it into laws than the UK.

Digging far away, only the US tried to ban alcohol consumption, an angle only islamic countries are also interested in as far as I know. Looking back only a few weeks ago, abortion protection has been abolished nation wide. To only take super salient points.

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by lern_too_spel »

noahtallen wrote: post #380
austinjp wrote: post #327

The UK media (not just the BBC) continue to profess "amazement" at the speed and efficiency of the transitioning from a dead monarch to a living one. There's been much speaking in awed tones at the pace of the various proclamations, committee meetings, document signings, etc, as if this pace tells us why we should be impressed. Personally I've found it borderline sickening. If there was a curtain that could have slip…

I don’t know much about UK law, but it is at least is constitutional monarchy. So the ruler and rituals of succession exist under the purview of the people and parliament. Surely there is just not enough political will to change it. That’s very different from your implication that it’s some kind of authoritarian hellscape. Rewording: this “keeps happening” because it’s written into the constitution of the UK. If it d…

It isn't even allowed to come to a vote. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King%27s_Consent

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by HideousKojima »

bawolff wrote: post #255
HideousKojima wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you have counterprotestors/rioters throwing bricks/molotovs/etc. with the tacit consent of the local government, going to a protest armed can be the only way to safely exercise your constitutional right to protest.

What is with americans and might makes right? What happens when the other side starts shooting at you? Do you think the guns still help you safely protest. For that matter, what use is a gun if someone from behind cover throws a molotov at your face?

>What is with americans and might makes right?

The fact that all state power eventually comes down to men with guns.

>What happens when the other side starts shooting at you? Do you think the guns still help you safely protest.

You either get out of there or you shoot back, that's really not a hard question. And to your second question yes, especially if the other side is shooting or threatening to shoot. Safer if you have guns as well than only they have guns. And just look at Kyle Rittenhouse, he would have been dead if he hadn't been armed. The third person he shot straight up said that he would have shot Kyle if Kyle hadn't vaporized his bicep first.

>For that matter, what use is a gun if someone from behind cover throws a molotov at your face?

Once again it makes you safer, because they can't risk throwing molotovs at you from out in the open. Your being armed helps you control when and from where they could possibly attack you with molotovs or whatever.

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by robomartin »

austinjp wrote: post #327

The UK media (not just the BBC) continue to profess "amazement" at the speed and efficiency of the transitioning from a dead monarch to a living one. There's been much speaking in awed tones at the pace of the various proclamations, committee meetings, document signings, etc, as if this pace tells us why we should be impressed. Personally I've found it borderline sickening. If there was a curtain that could have slip…

One thing I will never understand about people who pretty much hate where they live for one reason or another: Why don't they leave?

Seriously. I am not taking sides here. I have visited the UK as a tourist and on business a zillion times over the last four decades. And yet, I am not qualified to voice opinion as to the realities of living there. From the outside, as someone visiting from the US, for lack of a better term, it feels like home. Comfortable. Orderly. A place where anyone can live and, should they be inclined to, excel.

I don't understand people who live in the US, hate the US and don't move elsewhere. It isn't like the world is closed to relocation. It happens all the time. My own family emigrated to the US when I was almost a baby precisely for this reason. My grandparents fled from genocide, that's more of a forced migration.

The point is: If it is so bad. If it is revolting. Find your paradise, sell your possessions, book a flight and leave.

The alternative is to seek to change it by engaging in politics (which is a revolting thought pretty much anywhere in the world) or violence (which some seem to think is a way to make things better, which is as weird as can be).

I am not saying this in a spirit of confrontation or even criticism at all. As the son of immigrants who decided "enough is enough", I am grateful for the very hard decision my parents made.

It is because I understand this that I am perplexed by people who hate where they live and choose to stick around living in misery. Relinquishing your life to a sunk costs fallacy scenario isn't a formula for success. Go find your paradise. The world is a very large blue marble with lots of wonderful places you can call home and be happy.

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