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Li-ion battery warehouse fire put out with Portland cement (2021)

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Re: Li-ion battery warehouse fire put out with Portland cement (2021)

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"When we smothered it with the concrete, we're not 100% sure that this thermal runaway is not continuing," Chief Steffes said. "It is probably continuing and hopefully it is going to consume what is left of the batteries underneath then it will be over. But there is a possiblility that as this continues that it does break through this Portland cement." That sounds more like the fire was isolated or hidden, not actual…

10 ton excavator and a 60 ton prime mover... Pretty easy.

Re: Li-ion battery warehouse fire put out with Portland cement (2021)

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Off topic... What's the best way to easily recycle these batteries? I normally disassemble my old phones and securely dispose of the chips (for my privacy), but the batteries are glued in with a strong adhesive. Just trying to remove them can start a fire. I think most people just throw the old phones in the trash, but I don't like to do that. It's bad for the environment and potentially dangerous to trash workers. I…

My local waste transfer station has a dropoff for lithium batteries, presumably they send them off to be recycled but who knows.

Re: Li-ion battery warehouse fire put out with Portland cement (2021)

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post #9

Off topic... What's the best way to easily recycle these batteries? I normally disassemble my old phones and securely dispose of the chips (for my privacy), but the batteries are glued in with a strong adhesive. Just trying to remove them can start a fire. I think most people just throw the old phones in the trash, but I don't like to do that. It's bad for the environment and potentially dangerous to trash workers. I…

I take mine to the local dump. They have an electronics recycling drop off, which is free.

Re: Li-ion battery warehouse fire put out with Portland cement (2021)

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"When we smothered it with the concrete, we're not 100% sure that this thermal runaway is not continuing," Chief Steffes said. "It is probably continuing and hopefully it is going to consume what is left of the batteries underneath then it will be over. But there is a possiblility that as this continues that it does break through this Portland cement." That sounds more like the fire was isolated or hidden, not actual…

"I'll just put this over here, with the rest of the fire."

Re: Li-ion battery warehouse fire put out with Portland cement (2021)

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post #9

Off topic... What's the best way to easily recycle these batteries? I normally disassemble my old phones and securely dispose of the chips (for my privacy), but the batteries are glued in with a strong adhesive. Just trying to remove them can start a fire. I think most people just throw the old phones in the trash, but I don't like to do that. It's bad for the environment and potentially dangerous to trash workers. I…

Also, I think Wallmart and Sam's club have recycling collection points.

Re: Li-ion battery warehouse fire put out with Portland cement (2021)

#17

"When we smothered it with the concrete, we're not 100% sure that this thermal runaway is not continuing," Chief Steffes said. "It is probably continuing and hopefully it is going to consume what is left of the batteries underneath then it will be over. But there is a possiblility that as this continues that it does break through this Portland cement." That sounds more like the fire was isolated or hidden, not actual…

Wonder how long it could go? Could someday we have a Centralia-level event? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centralia_mine_fire

Re: Li-ion battery warehouse fire put out with Portland cement (2021)

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post #11

"When we smothered it with the concrete, we're not 100% sure that this thermal runaway is not continuing," Chief Steffes said. "It is probably continuing and hopefully it is going to consume what is left of the batteries underneath then it will be over. But there is a possiblility that as this continues that it does break through this Portland cement." That sounds more like the fire was isolated or hidden, not actual…

10 ton excavator and a 60 ton prime mover... Pretty easy.

There's a physical kind of easy, and there's a financial kind of easy. I've noticed they're usually at odds with each other.

Re: Li-ion battery warehouse fire put out with Portland cement (2021)

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Lithium battery fire cannot be 'put out'- in a normal sense. A fuel tank of petrol needs oxygen to burn, and when you spray foam on it your cut off the oxygen and the fire stops.

A battery already contains energy, all the chemicals required for the reaction are already present, and once the energy release starts, sealing it from the environment does not stop the process.

Ebike and drone batteries are large enough to be properly dangerous and fire departments make noises about them but offer no solutions. A fire extinguisher large enough for a 500wh battery weighs 12 kilos - most people can barely lift that!

We have no traceability in the battery supply chain and there is no 'battery safety box' that I could readilly buy. It is not clear if an average metal furniture would contain it. And the regulator is sleeping on the job.

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