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Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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I agreed with all of that except for fat. You need fat. You don’t need any of the others.

I need alcohol to be sociable.

> I need alcohol to be sociable

I always laugh when I see this. Alcohol turns me into an introvert.

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The amount of research over last decade has been huge, even outside of this. It used to be the only way companies could research cannabis was by getting really crappy samples from a government grow house, but with legalization the supply of research samples and the quality of researchers willing to work on it has grown considerably. This is a direct safety issue. I used to moderator one of the bigger cannabis subredd…

I wonder if it has impact on sperm integrity and therefore men who are reproducing should abstain for some time prior to inseminating.

It's odd this is getting so downvoted. A lot of projection perhaps? We don't know the answer and there's good research showing cannabinoids in sperm. Why's it so outrageous to suggest that until we know the answer, don't birth a kid with a weed tinted fertilizer?

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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I agreed with all of that except for fat. You need fat. You don’t need any of the others.

I need alcohol to be sociable.

So do many people! There’s a reason why it has been a staple of many societies for thousands of years!

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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I read this right after I got back from the marijuana store where a pregnant woman was buying weed. It made me uncomfortable. It just seems risky to me to take intoxicants while the babies brain is forming.

My wife has picked up marijuana for me while pregnant from a dispensary before because it was right next to another business that she was already at. Please don't be so quick to judge others.

still unusual, even with that anecdote I can't guess that 9/10 pregnant women buying weed are buying it for someone else.

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What an interesting, and dare I say nuanced, point. Let’s add to it how good fats can become bad through releasing free radicals, which happens at approximately the same temperature that a lot of animal fats are cooked at.

A few years ago, I did some reading on PubMed to figure out what fats are best to cook with. Came to the conclusion that extra virgin olive oil, which papers use the acronym "EVOO" for, is best for frying, whether that's pan or deep frying, and cooking in general. It's high in monounsaturated fats and studies found that various compounds in EVOO prevent the formation of free radicals, volatile organic compounds, alde…

I fry most everything in ghee these days. It’s delicious and the smoke point is north of 400 degrees Fahrenheit.

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Full title that wouldn’t fit: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children that persist into early adolescence

I don’t know, it seems equally likely that mothers with pre-existing mental disorders self-medicate with cannabis to self-soothe. There have been numerous studies showing such things. For example, why is nicotine use highly correlated with mental illness? Nobody is saying that cigarettes are associated with mental disorders.

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My wife uses cannabis for pain management and she used it through pregnancy. Her OBGYN was aware and didn't recommend against it. Our daughter is 6 now and we still think about it. Anything she has trouble with, I always wonder; did we do this to her? Though I don't know that there was a better choice available.

Are there effective painkillers that don't have risks for developing babies? Is good for a developing baby to be receiving constant stress hormones from a mother in intense pain?

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Unpaywalled paper on the same data, showing findings: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...

And wouldn't you know it, the title does not match the findings: > Among these 6, none increased the odds of crossing the threshold for clinically significant symptoms by itself. The linked article bizarrely focuses on cannabis, but they looked at "unplanned pregnancies", "maternal alcohol, marijuana and tobaccos use in early pregnancy", "pregnancy complications" and "birth complications". The only finding: > Childre…

It's dangerous to impute causality here given the potential for confounding environmental factors. Consider the chief finding that multiple such exposures had a more significant effect than individual exposure ... and what kind of home environment would tend to be associated with multiple of these exposures, including unplanned pregnancy, and use of alcohol, marijuana, and tobacco during pregnancy.

Also, note that this article is a press release from the director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse.

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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If that's what you think my response says then you didn't read it at all. I literally said that I would tell people "we just don't know, and so it should be avoided". Not "we don't know". I said "We don't know, so avoid it". That's a very different statement than what you're quoting- literally the exact opposite of your "it's not safe" quote.

It does seem like a weak reply to me - it's too equivocal. "We don't know" implies that it's anybody's guess, and that it should be avoided only out of an abundance of caution. Some people will interpret that response as "there's no evidence it's bad, so it's probably fine."

In fact there's plenty of evidence it's bad, both direct (the linked study is not the only one) and indirect (we know that smoking in pregnancy is bad, and that drugs affect the fetus, and that fetuses are sensitive). If you polled medical professionals, they would all say it's probably bad. The likelihood that it's perfectly fine is small.

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