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Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by pessimizer »

bawolff wrote: post #122
kennend3 wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you missed his point. The public paid for this funeral, and therefor they have every right to participate in it. They should show some respect, it is a funeral after all. If they wanted a "private funeral" they should pay for one.

Is it your view that just because the state pays for something the public has every right to do whatever they want with it? This seems obviously false. Try walking into the petagon some time proclaiming "the public paid for this military base and therefor i have every right to participate in it." And see how far that gets you.

Are you implying that people who protest military spending should "obviously" be arrested or hurt?

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by [deleted] »

bjourne wrote: post #114
dijit wrote: post #9

They aren’t being arrested for being anti-monarchy though. They are being arrested for being rude about it. Was the fella on radio 4 who stated to the entire nation that ‘King Charles and his family should be put in a council house and that the Monarchy should be abolished’ arrested? No. If you are going to attend a funeral, any funeral, be it the Queen’s or anyone else’s and hurl abuse or hold up signs with obscenit…

The queen was a public figure whose lavish livelihood were paid for by British tax-payers. So it seems to me that British people should have the right to celebrate her death in any way they please. Curtailing people's freedom of speech by misusing public order laws (the queen's funeral is not comparable to any normal funeral) is curtailing freedom of speech.

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Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by peteri »

dijit wrote: post #9

They aren’t being arrested for being anti-monarchy though. They are being arrested for being rude about it. Was the fella on radio 4 who stated to the entire nation that ‘King Charles and his family should be put in a council house and that the Monarchy should be abolished’ arrested? No. If you are going to attend a funeral, any funeral, be it the Queen’s or anyone else’s and hurl abuse or hold up signs with obscenit…

They are being arrested typically for behaviour likely to cause a breach of the peace.

Often they're being arrested for their own safety, you only have to look at the example of the chip shop owner in Muir of Ord, who posted a video online and now her chippy has a smashed window.

Do you leave the person with the offensive sign there? I can easily see some "have a go hero" deciding to tear the sign to bits and causing a fight to happen.

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

HideousKojima wrote: post #56
mc32 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But this is a case in the UK. They have different laws and observe different decorum. Even in the US I would think protesting a funeral to be in extremely poor taste, no matter the target. What’s that Latin phrase about the recently dead?

Yeah but the UK is where you can get arrested for making your girlfriend's pug do a Nazi salute as a joke (but somehow Father Ted doing similar Nazi jokes gets a pass)

>making your girlfriend's pug do a Nazi salute

Wait, what? Pretty sure dogs don't have the anatomical capability to do a nazi salute. At best they can just lift a leg up, but is that really a nazi salute?

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by [deleted] »

ipaddr wrote: post #82
AndyMcConachie wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh ok. Does that mean if we ask nicely we can dissolve the monarchy?

No nor can you dissolve the cia, close down US prisons operating in Cuba or get the truth about ufos. Nor can you vote for whoever you want to run the country you are given two choices.

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Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by deskamess »

matthewh806 wrote: post #109
dijit wrote: post #9

They aren’t being arrested for being anti-monarchy though. They are being arrested for being rude about it. Was the fella on radio 4 who stated to the entire nation that ‘King Charles and his family should be put in a council house and that the Monarchy should be abolished’ arrested? No. If you are going to attend a funeral, any funeral, be it the Queen’s or anyone else’s and hurl abuse or hold up signs with obscenit…

I see this exact same comment did pretty well on Reddit too: https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/xckw5v/comme... 1. Not all of the arrests have been made at a "funeral" 2. It wasn't a funeral 3. If you're going to have a very public precession, parading a body through the streets with all the obedients lapping it up, surely you have to have a level of tolerance for dissenting voices? I imagine the disrupt…

> Otherwise it's just outright sycophancy

Well... that's what the monarchy practice is all about. God-like status for some god-forsaken reason. Blind sycophancy.

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by HideousKojima »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #154
HideousKojima wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah but the UK is where you can get arrested for making your girlfriend's pug do a Nazi salute as a joke (but somehow Father Ted doing similar Nazi jokes gets a pass)

>making your girlfriend's pug do a Nazi salute Wait, what? Pretty sure dogs don't have the anatomical capability to do a nazi salute. At best they can just lift a leg up, but is that really a nazi salute?

For your enlightenment: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Meechan

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by karaterobot »

closewith wrote: post #10
dijit wrote: post #9

They aren’t being arrested for being anti-monarchy though. They are being arrested for being rude about it. Was the fella on radio 4 who stated to the entire nation that ‘King Charles and his family should be put in a council house and that the Monarchy should be abolished’ arrested? No. If you are going to attend a funeral, any funeral, be it the Queen’s or anyone else’s and hurl abuse or hold up signs with obscenit…

> They aren’t being arrested for being anti-monarchy though. > They are being arrested for being rude about it. Got it. Arrested for poor taste. Hard to see the justification for that in a democracy?

> The new law allows police to act in cases which they deem to be "unjustifiably noisy protests that may have a significant impact on others" or seriously disrupt an organization's activities.

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by somewhereoutth »

Gigachad wrote: post #98
Havoc wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>They are being arrested for being rude about it. Which is substantially worse. Rudeness is so subjective and context sensitive that it really shouldn't form the basis for arrests

This is the UK. You get arrested for taking a plastic knife outside or making mean tweets.

Or indeed burning a model of the Grenfell Tower at a bonfire party https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/06/grenfell-bon...

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by jdoliner »

Lèse-majesté is the crime of "offending majesty." It's been an awfully long time since it's been a real law in Europe but I guess anti-royals are pissing the state of enough that they've decided to revive it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A8se-majest%C3%A9

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