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Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by surement »

withinboredom wrote: post #34
tedivm wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the real problem- and something I'm hoping more research can help with- is that marijuana is a medicine for a lot of people. It prevents seizures, reduces or stops migraines, and (this one is really important considering the context) reduces nausea. Sometimes people have to balance between a bunch of crappy options. This isn't always the case, of course, but it's hard to judge what someone is going through fr…

Yes, in moderation, weed is probably harmless and maybe good for you. Getting high (aka, poisoning yourself), not so much.

Getting high and poisoning yourself are not the same thing. Psychedelic mushrooms are not weak versions of toxic ones.

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Post by Bud »

feet wrote: post #66
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #54

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Try explaining to an average person how they can identify which food products at the supermarket have noble-gas-fat-products in them and which don't.

That's easy. The packages are labeled with nutrient information, don't eat any that contain any amount of trans fats. Also as a side note, hydrogen isn't a noble gas

I know. I edited my comment to correct that. Apologies for the error, hydrogen fans!

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Post by taurath »

xattt wrote: post #39
itsoktocry wrote: post #15

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> However some of the conversations on the use of cannabis recently have changed from “it’s a drug, but it isn’t that bad” to “it is completely harmless”. Or even worse, "it's nothing but beneficial!". And yes, I'm a semi-regular "user"

The same sentiment can be applied to current psychedelics research.

Can you post a source for any claim that theyre harmless? I don’t think any reputable researcher has ever said that, but they have started talking about potential for positive effects, which is a far cry from “if you take this it will ruin your life”.

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Post by ttpphd »

dr_dshiv wrote: post #17

“ 6 exposures (unplanned pregnancy; maternal alcohol, marijuana, and tobacco use early in pregnancy; pregnancy complications; and birth complications) independently associated with significant but small increases in CBCL total score. Among these 6, none increased the odds of crossing the threshold for clinically significant symptoms by itself. However, odds of exceeding this threshold became significant with 2 exposu…

Huh. Weird that from that result the focus of the conversation is on cannabis.

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Post by staringback »

dekken_ wrote: post #59
endisneigh wrote: post #53

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what does water have to do with anything?

The point is that weed isn't just bad for you, it depends on your condition and the dosage.

Do you need weed to survive?

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Post by Waterluvian »

endisneigh wrote: post #16

Weed is bad for you, what a shocker. Like all drugs you have to weigh the positive effects with the negative. Generally it's bad to do most rec drugs if pregnant or around kids.

Weed isn’t “bad for you” as pointed out by your second sentence. Indeed, it has effects and you need to cost benefit weigh the effects.

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Post by stefan_ »

scythe wrote: post #8

Unpaywalled paper on the same data, showing findings: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...

And wouldn't you know it, the title does not match the findings:

> Among these 6, none increased the odds of crossing the threshold for clinically significant symptoms by itself.

The linked article bizarrely focuses on cannabis, but they looked at "unplanned pregnancies", "maternal alcohol, marijuana and tobaccos use in early pregnancy", "pregnancy complications" and "birth complications". The only finding:

> Children exposed to multiple common, adverse prenatal events showed dose-dependent increases in broad, clinically significant psychopathology at age 9–10.

Where is the article lecturing us about the dangers of unplanned pregnancies so everyone can kneejerk react to it? (Also, why is this study mixing in alcohol use, which is of course already strongly proven to lead to all kinds of disorders..)

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Post by someguydave »

Maursault wrote: post #26
1-6 wrote: post #4

Why are pregnant women smoking weed to begin with?

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Women are not in a vacuum, their decisions impact all the people and babies around them and those people and babies have a right to an opinion.

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Post by pitaj »

michaelwww wrote: post #11

I read this right after I got back from the marijuana store where a pregnant woman was buying weed. It made me uncomfortable. It just seems risky to me to take intoxicants while the babies brain is forming.

I always give them to benefit of the doubt: assume they're buying it for someone else, probably their partner.

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Post by mosseater »

throwuxiytayq wrote: post #29
1-6 wrote: post #4

Why are pregnant women smoking weed to begin with?

Addiction, self-medication (eg. pain/nausea relief), escapism, peer pressure. To name a few. I used to be sceptical about weed addiction, and then it happened to me. It was relatively difficult to quit even though the habit was severely impacting my work and social life. In the end not having any weed around helped a lot. If you have an easy endless supply, boy, you're in trouble. If you enjoy weed, consider having a…

Also, you know, doctor recommended medication. And not just the "weed doctors" do it either, my conservative neurologist even told me to smoke THC heavy marijuana.

I smoke every day. It absolutely impacts my work and social life, as without it I'm a painful ball of irritation that would have to be on opiates to get anything done.

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