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Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by nkozyra »

withinboredom wrote: post #32
404mm wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One response I received was: “weed is natural and comes from the Earth”. It’s absolutely mind boggling how stupid people can be.

And water comes from burning fossil fuels too, but I doubt that water would be good for you. Ibuprofen comes from the bark of tree IIRC, but that pill is a lot better than the soup you’d have to eat to get not nearly the same effect. Everything is natural. I really hate that argument.

> Ibuprofen comes from the bark of tree IIRC

This is salicylic acid, in a number of tree barks but most abundantly in white willow.

The medication form is aspirin or acetylsalicylic acid.

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by lolinder »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #54
Bud wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that complex, actually. The vast majority of fats, all the natural ones, basically, are fine. Healthy, even. The weirdass plastic fats created by injecting hydrogen into vegetable oil are not fine. Done! Was that really so nuanced? No. It was not.

Try explaining to an average person how they can identify which food products at the supermarket have noble-gas-fat-products in them and which don't.

"Check the nutrition facts label. If it has any trans fat, put it back."

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by xkcd-sucks »

asveikau wrote: post #36
1-6 wrote: post #4

Why are pregnant women smoking weed to begin with?

I think it's more addictive than people think. I've known a few people who I think have a problem, but they become violently confrontational if you say it might be addictive for some . I may get comments and downvotes along these lines. I guess some people may also have some exposure from before they realize they're pregnant. That probably also happens with things like alcohol. I think I've heard some say that's not…

> but they become violently confrontational if you say it might be addictive for some

Going out on a limb here but it might be in the same spirit as a similar response to "Strong encryption is for child abuse and terrorism" / "Bittorrent is for pirating movies" in that it's true in some cases but is used as a popular discourse wedge to promote governmental overreach

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by tomatotomato37 »

kayodelycaon wrote: post #23
tedivm wrote: post #18

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I think the real problem- and something I'm hoping more research can help with- is that marijuana is a medicine for a lot of people. It prevents seizures, reduces or stops migraines, and (this one is really important considering the context) reduces nausea. Sometimes people have to balance between a bunch of crappy options. This isn't always the case, of course, but it's hard to judge what someone is going through fr…

A lot of medications need to be discontinued during pregnancy. All of the women I know who are bipolar absolutely do not want to become pregnant because they would need to stop taking all of their medication.

To add to that it isn't just "serious" prescription medications that may need to be discontinued; a variety of OTCs from Aspirin to PeptoBismol can also pose a risk to anyone expecting.

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Post by feet »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #54
Bud wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that complex, actually. The vast majority of fats, all the natural ones, basically, are fine. Healthy, even. The weirdass plastic fats created by injecting hydrogen into vegetable oil are not fine. Done! Was that really so nuanced? No. It was not.

Try explaining to an average person how they can identify which food products at the supermarket have noble-gas-fat-products in them and which don't.

That's easy. The packages are labeled with nutrient information, don't eat any that contain any amount of trans fats.

Also as a side note, hydrogen isn't a noble gas

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Post by tristor »

Maursault wrote: post #26
1-6 wrote: post #4

Why are pregnant women smoking weed to begin with?

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> I really think all men should withhold all judgement of women, pregnant or not.

No. The right to an opinion and to express it is not contingent on ones gender or gender expression. It is perfectly reasonable for people to make observations, conduct scientific research, form opinions, and discuss those opinions even if the outcome of such doesn't personally affect them. And, in point of fact, it's /strictly necessary/ for societal level issues.

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Post by ironick09 »

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #20
tedivm wrote: post #9

The amount of research over last decade has been huge, even outside of this. It used to be the only way companies could research cannabis was by getting really crappy samples from a government grow house, but with legalization the supply of research samples and the quality of researchers willing to work on it has grown considerably. This is a direct safety issue. I used to moderator one of the bigger cannabis subredd…

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The only thing that’s irresponsible is your reading comprehension, re-read their comment.

Re: Prenatal cannabis exposure associated with mental disorders in children

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Post by robocat »

scythe wrote: post #41
darth_avocado wrote: post #12

I’m glad this research is being done. I don’t use cannabis, but I also don’t frown upon it. However some of the conversations on the use of cannabis recently have changed from “it’s a drug, but it isn’t that bad” to “it is completely harmless”. Which in my opinion is very dangerous and could harm entire populations before we have enough research. In my opinion, it should be considered similar category as alcohol, cig…

The primary positive effect of cannabis in the general population is probably that it tends to interfere with alcohol consumption, due to excessive sedation. This probably explains the lack of negative population-level effects of cannabis legalization. The most concerning effect of cannabis is its tendency to increase heart rate. Quite a bit of research is available on the effects of cannabis use — the problem is tha…

> The most concerning effect of cannabis is its tendency to increase heart rate.

Can you please tell me why you think heart rate is more concerning than the psychological effects? Effects which the paper itself mentions and you seem to downplay for some unobvious reason to me.

For me, the difficulty is discerning causation from correlation. Anecdotally I know plenty of cannabis users, and many of them have obvious mental issues. I am interested in knowing the root cause of mental issues, because then we are given the opportunity to affect behaviours to improve people’s lives. A correlation is often little help to anyone but other researchers.

I didn’t read the paper but the abstract didn’t allude to any insight into causation versus correlation. If an abstract of a paper ignores that issue, then I often don’t bother reading, because there is not enough value from studies measuring correlation (for my personal use for any information).

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