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Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by AnonHP »

justapassenger wrote: post #159
traceroute66 wrote: post #38

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> They don't actually care about user privacy, but rather want exclusive rights to all of your data so that they can sell it for a markup. Anyone who seriously thinks Apple are going to turn into another Google or Facebook needs to give their head a wobble. Look at, for example, their recent pro-privacy improvements to the App Store where developers are now forced to state in black and white what data their Apps coll…

> If Apple didn't give a shit about user privacy and wanted to sell all your data, they would have done so a long time ago. They already do "sell", in a very similar way as Google and Facebook does - look at their app store ads for example. Only real difference between Google/FB and Apple is that they process data on device, not on their servers. Sure, it's a huge technical difference, but not that much in terms of b…

> Google and Facebook don't sell your data directly, as it's bad business

You may want to check on this belief more thoroughly, at least with Meta/Facebook as a start.

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by Melatonic »

traceroute66 wrote: post #5

Honestly, for anyone who watches Apple close enough, this isn't news. Its clear Apple are heading down the disruptive disintermediation route. Look at the Air Tag. Effectively killing off competitors by making use of the global network of Apple devices. Look at their recent BNPL (buy now, pay later) announcement for example. Managing the whole caboodle, including the finance itself, entirely internally. Or look at th…

We are going to see satphone use on most handsets I think fairly soon (starting with low badwith options). The idea of Apple operating their own carrier is interesting but also sort of terrifying - they are already all about keeping everything in their own ecosystem and making interoperability with other brands a huge PIA - are we going to see the day when Apple devices intentionally barely function with other carriers / brands / OS?

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by msmith »

SkyPuncher wrote: post #141
robszumski wrote: post #68

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I'm not sure what happened but Dark Sky went from awesome to awful in recent months after the Apple acquisition. Is it just me? Going from "no rain all day" to actively raining with a huge storm 2 hours later. The app does update with this info, but very close to the actual storm.

This has been happening across nearly every weather source I've been using. My hypothesis is either: * Climate change is causing problems with forecasting models * Forecasting models changed, which has introduce unexpected edge cases

This study claims that there was a decrease in weather prediction accuracy caused by the reduction in commercial flights due to Covid. Maybe there are still some lingering effects from that?

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/07/200717101026.h...

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by strikelaserclaw »

superdug wrote: post #91

Am I a realist on Apple Apologist? My primary credit card is an apple card, primary dev machine is a mbp, primary work machine iPad, phone iPhone, watch Apple, and I have air tags attached to my dogs and wallet. In this ecosystem, I can reference _ANY_ of my screens for necessary and current relevant information whether it be curated or automated without breaking a glance to whatever primary device the content came f…

Thats is how they get you eventually, once all alternatives have vanished.

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by 8jef »

Apple never invented anything. They always took something that already was nichely popular (Nokia's smartphones, Creative's MP3 players, PCs), then improved upon those things just enough to make them palatable to the masses, logo included. It's not a mystery why they've recently invested heavily in AR and electric transportation: these are two newish hardware things that still badly need to be improved upon. Unfortunately, all the money in the world cannot replace Steve Job's balls, wild flair and decisiveness. Sadly, lawyers and MBAs have taken over Apple since he departed. Other products and things newly invented are just not quite niche enough to mandate an Apple R&D budget. At any rate, Apple's still massively selling to post modern urban peasants, so fear not, they'll be around until the rise of the next great ballsy marketer.

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by strikelaserclaw »

jliptzin wrote: post #77

I wish huge companies like Apple would just be happy with being #1 in their category, collecting their enormous profits and paying out dividends to shareholders, instead of feeling the need to take over the world.

unfortunately the ceo's only job is to increase share price and they can only do that with unlimited growth.

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by SkyPuncher »

msmith wrote: post #203
SkyPuncher wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has been happening across nearly every weather source I've been using. My hypothesis is either: * Climate change is causing problems with forecasting models * Forecasting models changed, which has introduce unexpected edge cases

This study claims that there was a decrease in weather prediction accuracy caused by the reduction in commercial flights due to Covid. Maybe there are still some lingering effects from that? https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/07/200717101026.h...

Wow! This is extremely interesting!

While this is confirmation bias, this reflects almost identically with the timeframe in which the forecasts became significantly worse in my area.

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by cruano »

alexb_ wrote: post #37
nojito wrote: post #25

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This is absolute nonsense. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPogdNafgic Apple has the led the conversation on privacy far before anyone else was. I remember them get vilified from sharing their stance 10 years ago.

>Apple has the led the conversation on privacy far before anyone else was. So they can make more money by selling access to a userbase they withhold from all other advertisers. The notion that Apple cares about anything other than the money-printing ability of their phone users is clearly and obviously wrong.

Yes, but they care about the long-term money-printing ability of the whole ecosystem, and reputation can very clearly hurt that e.g. Facebook

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by justapassenger »

AnonHP wrote: post #201
justapassenger wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If Apple didn't give a shit about user privacy and wanted to sell all your data, they would have done so a long time ago. They already do "sell", in a very similar way as Google and Facebook does - look at their app store ads for example. Only real difference between Google/FB and Apple is that they process data on device, not on their servers. Sure, it's a huge technical difference, but not that much in terms of b…

> Google and Facebook don't sell your data directly, as it's bad business You may want to check on this belief more thoroughly, at least with Meta/Facebook as a start.

Can you point me to their checkout page?

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by lr1970 »

arcticbull wrote: post #55
efaref wrote: post #20

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The real word here is "monopolisation".

A monopoly would require they control the entire market for a given product or service. Apple isn't a monopoly in any area - but they are a strong competitor in many areas. They're more like a western take on a chaebol [1] in my opinion. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaebol

> Apple isn't a monopoly in any area - but they are a strong competitor in many areas.

New term: "Vertical Monopoly"

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