Antigua and Barbuda may vote to remove King Charles III as its head of state

Post by throw0101c » Mon, Sep 12, 2022, 5:14 PM UTC

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>I suspect there are benefits to having the monarchy as head of state Genuinely curious what those would be? I think it's far from the most urgent issue our country is facing right now, but most of my objections to the monarchy would be moral or philosophical. For one, in moral terms there is a lot of... let's say "historical baggage" that comes with the monarchy. For another, I don't think a hereditary system of gov…

> Genuinely curious what those would be? You don't have the highly polarized politics they've got in the US. I'm a republican (not a US republican, but merely favour republics) but I don't see how relinquishing the British Crown would change anything for the better for Canada or Australia? Canada would probably need to become a parliamentary republic like Germany or Greece, where the president has a ceremonial role.

Post by throw0101c » Mon, Sep 12, 2022, 5:18 PM UTC

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Yeah. Choosing your head of state should be opt-in, rather than opt-out at best (or, more realistically, no opt at all).

Also, since monarchs have to be politically neutral, which is another absurdity on top of an absurd situation, a monarchy lacks the powers that a President has in parliamentary republics, of dissolving the parliament and calling elections. The UK has been stuck in crisis mode more than once, because the Queen couldn’t say “fuck it, let’s have some elections because the current state of affairs is damaging the country…

Post by petre » Mon, Sep 12, 2022, 5:32 PM UTC

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I think the fact that our (Britain’s) prime minister has to go to someone else, someone well travelled with extensive contact with leaders around the world, ideally who’s seen prime ministers come and go, and explain themselves and answer for their actions is an incredibly good thing. If we ever end up with a head of state that loses the trust of the people, then fine. On that day let’s ditch the monarchy. If it’s no…

Except our new King has previously taken money from Saudis and supports the WEF, so they've already lost that trust.

Post by throw0101c » Mon, Sep 12, 2022, 6:16 PM UTC

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> I don't see that these countries are any more or less stable than Ireland, France, Finland, Portugal, Switzerland, Italy, Austria etc. One metric: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index#By_country Most of the top ones are constitutional monarchies. Next up seem to be countries that have symbolic heads of state, with mostly ceremonial duties (and "reserve" powers like the UK HoS/crown).

The list: NO Monarchy NZ Monarchy FI Republic SE Monarchy IS Republic DK Monarchy IE Republic TW Republic CH Republic AU Monarchy NL Monarchy CA Monarchy UY Republic LU Monarchy DE Republic KR Republic JP Monarchy GB Monarchy MU Republic CR Republic AT Republic I call that a draw.

Post by fakedang » Mon, Sep 12, 2022, 6:53 PM UTC

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Yeah, that was satire (for those who don’t know the movie).

This whole comment thread was satire (for those who can't recognize it on the internet).