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Who cares about diversity?

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Re: Who cares about diversity?

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They do it to all low-effort political posts, not just the right-leaning ones. It is an explicit goal of the site management to not let this place turn into a forum where people come to argue divisive political topics.

This shouldn't be political though, that's the point. It's a legitimate problem in companies nowadays which should be addressed

Re: Who cares about diversity?

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It could be that the people do care about the values listed, but don't know an effective way to guarantee them, and that existing diversity statements are a stopgap measure until something better is figured out. But no, let's jump directly to "Conclusion: By and large, they don’t care about diversity. They’re just lying, in a really transparent way, because they think it gives them a patina of legal legitimacy." Or..…

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I vouched for this because I think it's fairly reasonable. I think american and european universities were at the forefront of all the diversity and "woke", a decade earlier.

Re: Who cares about diversity?

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Years and breadth/depth of experience is far from everything, but it's also far from nothing. I'd sort of expect the CxOs at most major companies to be ~25-40 years into their career. I'd therefore expect them to look a lot like the white collar workforce new entrants looked in 1982-1997.

That doesn't make sense in the global marketplace. A ton of american companies have Indian ceos these days.

Pick an Indian CEO of a major American company. When did they start their career? How many of their fellow Indians started in the same timeframe? (I think "a lot!")

Some major tech company Indian CEOs:

  Sundhar Pichai (Alphabet) ~1993
  Satya Nadella (Microsoft) ~1990
  Parag Agrawal (Twitter) ~2011 (with PhD, but still an outlier even discounting that)
  Shantanu Narayen (Adobe) ~1986
  Arvind Krishna (IBM) ~1990
  Sanjay Mehrotra (Micron) ~1979
  Nikesh Arora (Palo Alto) ~1992

Re: Who cares about diversity?

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My problem with so-called diversity efforts is that they wildly overemphasize a really superficial attribute: skin color. That is, at best, a tenuous proxy for actual diversity and goes against decades of work of the U.S. civil rights movement.

There are real benefits to having a diverse group of people in just about every setting, but assessing the level of diversity by noting the range of skin tones present is ineffective (and should be deeply offensive to everyone involved).

True diversity of thought, perspective, and experience - i.e. the things that make diversity desirable - come first from things like socioeconomic differences (that one alone may outweigh all others combined), your family experience growing up (including the nuclear family culture but broader culture in which you lived), etc.

Any sort of correlation to skin color is not necessarily causal, especially when considering individual people, and yet using skin color as your diversity metric not-so-subtly suggests it /is/ causal, which, ironically, is on some level racist.

Re: Who cares about diversity?

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How wide spread is this requirement? I've never heard about it before. >schools are requiring “Diversity Statements” as a condition for new hires Is this like when you do a self performance review and you just throw in a bunch of common phrases / text?

I can’t answer on stats, would also like to know. I’ve read Berkeley requires these for all faculty openings and promotions.

Also below is a particularly egregious example from Canada, where it explicitly states white straight men need not apply.

https://www.universityaffairs.ca/search-job/?job_id=58317

Re: Who cares about diversity?

#96

I think these institutions believe that more diversity ----> more inclusivity and less racism. How would a racist indian national deeply entrenched in caste culture help my company be less racist? How would an asian supremacist laotian increase the workplace's acceptance? If you want a place of tolerance then it should be populated by tolerant people. Throwing together males and females with a random sample of skin c…

We also need DEI at the border in addition to the colleges and for job opportunities. The way LatinX people are oppressed at the border is inhumane. Not to mention the trauma inflicted on LatinX people during last administration.

Re: Who cares about diversity?

#97
Going by the definition in the referenced link,

“a statement of your experience with or knowledge of inclusion, diversity, equity, and belonging efforts and your plans for incorporating them into your teaching, research, mentoring, and service.”

it doesn't seem outrageous- it does force the writer to think about their past experiences and observations in regards to inclusion, diversity, and equity... which makes the author of this opinion piece feel this way, and this seems the reaction has more to do with their perception and personal view of (and disagreement with) the prioritization of these concepts than it has to do with the requirement itself.

Re: Who cares about diversity?

#98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They do it to all low-effort political posts, not just the right-leaning ones. It is an explicit goal of the site management to not let this place turn into a forum where people come to argue divisive political topics.

This shouldn't be political though, that's the point. It's a legitimate problem in companies nowadays which should be addressed

The companies are the wrong place to address it, though. You need to fix the pipeline, probably starting w/ bringing K-12 education up to developed-world standards.

Re: Who cares about diversity?

#100

Isn't the real issue behind all the names (diversity, inclusion, etc) about the equalizing of opportunity or at the very least, bringing certain oppressed groups (and, if you don't think certain groups are or have been oppressed or discriminated against, educate yourself) up the opportunity curve? Do we want to live in a world where you have less opportunity because of characteristics you were born with?

> Do we want to live in a world where you have less opportunity because of characteristics you were born with Yes. I do not want to live in a world where genetic editing is used to give everyone equal opportunity. I am ok with not having the genetics to play in the NBA while others do. Diversity should not be the end goal. A healthy society that provides basic needs for all should be. If that means we have mostly peo…

That's not what parent said. Do you want to live in a world where you could be the best basketball player in the world but you are don't get drafted because your eyes are blue?

Some people don't get opportunities because of their skin color, their name or their religion.

It's about becoming a NBA player if you can't play basketball

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