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Who cares about diversity?

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Re: Who cares about diversity?

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Alternate perspective: it will be flagged down because HN's community has continually proven incapable of having discussions like this without it turning into a shouting match. It's already happening.

I don't think that should be as big of a deal as it is. I'm guessing it's because it's bad for publicity/ads but the whole "people are mad at each other in the comments! Shut it down!" thing that has taken over is dumb.

Have you ever seen how mad people get at each other on the road? Yeah, people suck when they don't have a face in front of them to remind them its a person on the other side. It's disingenuous to pretend that side of people doesn't exist though.

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Going on a tangent I am tired of diversity theater at most companies. You know how I know you don't really care? I look at your C level (excluding Chief Diversity Officer) and you board.

Years and breadth/depth of experience is far from everything, but it's also far from nothing.

I'd sort of expect the CxOs at most major companies to be ~25-40 years into their career. I'd therefore expect them to look a lot like the white collar workforce new entrants looked in 1982-1997.

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I don't doubt that your prediction is entirely true, but I'd say a more likely cause is that the majority of people realise (correctly) that this sort of article will result in absolutely no useful or edifying discussion whatsoever. We'll be treated to a thread of absolutely valueless commentary that achieves nothing apart from angering a lot of people, and I'd imagine that articles like this will continue to flagged to death until such time as HN demonstrates that it's able to sustain adult conversations about controversial issues, particularly where they touch on topics like DEI.

Re: Who cares about diversity?

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Going on a tangent I am tired of diversity theater at most companies. You know how I know you don't really care? I look at your C level (excluding Chief Diversity Officer) and you board.

This is an extremely shallow and dismissive take, IMO. As someone who has recruited engineers, I can tell you there's a serious diversity problem with the candidate pool itself. At the C-level, it only gets worse. It takes years to even get to the C-suite, which means that white men inherently have a head start, and that it's one of the last places you'd expect to see the effects of diversity initiatives.

That isn't to say there aren't companies that have Chief Diversity Officers who aren't taken seriously, but that's a completely different story.

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I just saw this post reach about #4 on the frontpage, get flagged, marked DEAD, then come back but no longer on the frontpage, all in about 2 minutes.

Yeah, I flagged it (which killed it) in anticipation of the shit storm I expect to see in the comments an hour or 2 from now.

Re: Who cares about diversity?

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I think these institutions believe that more diversity ----> more inclusivity and less racism. How would a racist indian national deeply entrenched in caste culture help my company be less racist? How would an asian supremacist laotian increase the workplace's acceptance?

If you want a place of tolerance then it should be populated by tolerant people. Throwing together males and females with a random sample of skin colors and passports is not going to make your university a more inclusive place by default.

Re: Who cares about diversity?

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I think people are confusing corporations vs people.

People want diversity and care about diversity, who optionally wants to exclude someone that has merit to participate in the work/activity. Of course bigots exist, but largely people try to respect people.

Corporations, care as much as it is profitable that is the purpose of the organization is to generate wealth for stakeholders.

The issue in my opinion is how subjective 'merit' is, where studies show two resumes with equal qualifications a name implying a race or gender alone is enough to change the results of which resume was chosen subconsciously.

People see this problem as how do you measure someone without bias? How do you measure the cultural impact one can bring? How do you measure

Corporations see this problem as, how do we stay diverse enough to not look evil? How do we make measure our diversity to prove that? THEN they approach the people's point of view on the issue, because above everything is shareholders earnings and therefore the optics. It's not even intentional to a degree, stop gap solutions to make corporation happy and people tolerant of the corporation

Calling it Orwellian is crazy though, it's just capitalism and governments trying to find a way to keep it fair for non-capital owners.

Re: Who cares about diversity?

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It could be that the people do care about the values listed, but don't know an effective way to guarantee them, and that existing diversity statements are a stopgap measure until something better is figured out. But no, let's jump directly to "Conclusion: By and large, they don’t care about diversity. They’re just lying, in a really transparent way, because they think it gives them a patina of legal legitimacy." Or..…

The original article went into an in-depth analysis that you label as “jump directly to…”
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