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Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by superdug »

gnicholas wrote: post #112
superdug wrote: post #91

Am I a realist on Apple Apologist? My primary credit card is an apple card, primary dev machine is a mbp, primary work machine iPad, phone iPhone, watch Apple, and I have air tags attached to my dogs and wallet. In this ecosystem, I can reference _ANY_ of my screens for necessary and current relevant information whether it be curated or automated without breaking a glance to whatever primary device the content came f…

I understand airtagging a dog, but how do you fit one in your wallet? Are you worried about misplacing it in your home, leaving it behind somewhere else, or theft? I like airtags and use them myself, but never considered using it with a wallet.

It's just a wallet with a bubble on the outside shell that holds the air-tag in it ... doesn't stick out too far and fits fine in my pocket

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by GeekyBear »

alexb_ wrote: post #15

The moment that apple announced "privacy" as their focus I knew this was going to happen. They don't actually care about user privacy, but rather want exclusive rights to all of your data so that they can sell it for a markup. If you want to sell targeted ads to anyone using an Apple device, you'll have to let Apple do the targeting (and take their cut). Get customers locked into the apple ecosystem, "protect" them f…

> They don't actually care about user privacy, but rather want exclusive rights to all of your data so that they can sell it for a markup

So Google was evil from the start, back when they were just selling ads based on your search terms and not yet spying on your entire life online and offline?

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by joshmanders »

stinkytaco wrote: post #118
joshmanders wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My question is why is it always in discussions about Apple that people come out of the woodworks "worried about their privacy stance changing" and how we need regulatory stuff in place in the event Apple STARTS to be like Google, but nobody is ever in the Android stuff talking about how absolutely terrible Google is on this front?

Because everyone knows this about Google already. With Apple there seems to be some associated belief that it's better, when there's nothing really special about Apple. It's a publicly traded company and just because no one let the cow out of the barn yet, doesn't mean it couldn't in the future. Props to Apple for not doing a Google yet, but like someone said, I would never trust a corporation to put me above shareho…

> I would never trust a corporation to put me above shareholder value.

Normally I'd agree with you, but I think Steve Jobs has a long history of not giving a shit about what shareholders say because he was more concerned with delivering the perfect product to customers, so I'd like to think that Tim Cook has also carried this torch too.

Yes they are a for-profit company, I still get that... But everyone has been shouting "Just wait, Apple will become just like Google once they realize how juicy that data is to their bottom line!!" for literally decades, yet... Nothing.

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by CharlesW »

gnicholas wrote: post #112
superdug wrote: post #91

Am I a realist on Apple Apologist? My primary credit card is an apple card, primary dev machine is a mbp, primary work machine iPad, phone iPhone, watch Apple, and I have air tags attached to my dogs and wallet. In this ecosystem, I can reference _ANY_ of my screens for necessary and current relevant information whether it be curated or automated without breaking a glance to whatever primary device the content came f…

I understand airtagging a dog, but how do you fit one in your wallet? Are you worried about misplacing it in your home, leaving it behind somewhere else, or theft? I like airtags and use them myself, but never considered using it with a wallet.

In my case, first I used https://www.amazon.com/TagVault-Standard-Flexible-Pending-El..., and now I use https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0975HFFMM/.

It has alerted me to the wallet being left behind, and a few times I've used the AirTag to find the wallet in the house.

The big downside to AirTags right now is missing family support. We hid AirTags on the kids' bikes, but only my wife can see them.

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by CharlesW »

packetlost wrote: post #117
dehrmann wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're falling for the standard crypto trap of being a solution in search of a problem. The user experience you're describing is Venmo. Making it use CookCoin instead of USD doesn't make it easier to build, and it isn't really a selling point.

What I'm describing is Venmo + Square. Neither of those 2 things completely implement what I'm describing on their own. Regardless, I didn't say that it had to be crypto. My entire point was they have a the easiest path of any company to critical mass adoption of a service because they directly control the software of half the phones in the US.

How is what you want different than Apple Cash?

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by oezi »

superdug wrote: post #91

Am I a realist on Apple Apologist? My primary credit card is an apple card, primary dev machine is a mbp, primary work machine iPad, phone iPhone, watch Apple, and I have air tags attached to my dogs and wallet. In this ecosystem, I can reference _ANY_ of my screens for necessary and current relevant information whether it be curated or automated without breaking a glance to whatever primary device the content came f…

As a Android user who is lured by the appeal of the Apple Watch and the long update availability, I have recently found that the wall of the garden has gotten so high that it is harder to get in than thought:

- there is no way to migrate messages from Signal messenger from Android to iOS

- there is no way to synchronize Opera bookmarks from Android to iOS

- SwiftKey keyboard can't sync my Android settings to iOS

I might have to buy another Pixel I guess...

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by pwinnski »

gigel82 wrote: post #111

The next big thing for Apple (which they've actually been working on for a while) is ads. They plan on taking down Google and Facebook in one fell swoop. They are the most heinous, disingenuous, evil empire ever. I always get downvoted when making this comment, I just hope that the "blind believers" of today will remember their mistake a few years down the line when the "privacy" house of cards comes tumbling down.

You might get downvoted because your comment is evidence-free, filled with hyperbolic value judgments, and runs counter to general observation.

It is difficult to imagine what Apple could do to top Google, Facebook, or even Microsoft on a list of evil empires, ever.

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by CharlesW »

candiddevmike wrote: post #9

Ads are the next big thing for Apple. You can see it in their job postings and their attempts at increasing ad real estate across their products.

Note that a (the?) primary use case for this is supporting developers who want to create free, ad-supported products using a privacy-first ad network. Is there even another solution for this?

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by whatarethembits »

belval wrote: post #16
sem000 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gotta love HN... always acting like Apple is holding a gun to consumers heads.

Realistically (and I am not singling out Apple here), we are more and more captive of an ecosystem. My Android phone is needed to login to most online service through 2FA, I can pay with it, have my calendar and emails on it. Losing my phone at this point is worse than losing my wallet and Apple is pushing for even tighter integrations with their customer's life which will ultimately centralize all that information.

If I lost my iPhone (and the FindMy network wasn’t able to locate it), the watch can get me by just fine as if nothing even happened. Oh and this was all setup in a couple of minutes when first buying the watch, so unlikely to be in a situation where the watch can’t adequately take over phone duties because I didn’t dedicate a semester to set everything up and keep it in sync on a regular basis. It’s all automatic. Integrated devices > non-integrated devices all day long. Back to the lost phone; I would then walk into an Apple store when time permits, and get or buy a replacement (depending on Apple care coverage status) phone, enter my Apple ID on the new phone and voila its in the exact state as the old one before leaving the store. End of saga, I go meetup with mates as planned in the evening.

Try to do the same with non-Apple ecosystem or with physical cards and keys. I wish there were (dependable) options, but other large organisations have proven to be utterly incompetent in this area. They have no vision and/or ability to pull off something like this. Or their own actions have made their reputation unpalatable even if they somehow offered it in the future.

Also I hate having to remember to carry five different things every time I leave the house, and feel the sensation of those bulky items moving around in my pocket while walking (Europe, we walk a lot) or running. And I hate having to be limited to trousers/joggers/shorts that have deep enough pockets to fit all those items in, and them falling out while out for a run etc etc etc.

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by MisterTea »

gnicholas wrote: post #89
b3morales wrote: post #80

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Not so sure about this. There's going to be a ton of noise in this data from an outsider POV. At an absolute minimum, for this to be usable as weather data they will have to determine when it's measuring the actual outside weather, as opposed to the indoor, or in-car/-bus/-train temperature.

Good point! During times when AC or heat is running a lot, there might be a bimodal distribution of reported temperatures. I wonder if they could use the ambient light sensor to determine if the person is inside or outside, or if they could use location data to figure out that 'this Apple Watch is in the middle of a large field, so he must be outside'. Then they could just ignore other data in that microclimate area,…

> I wonder if they could use the ambient light sensor to determine if the person is inside or outside

Maybe they are they next to a window or under a sky light.

> or if they could use location data to figure out that 'this Apple Watch is in the middle of a large field, so he must be outside'.

Could be in a tent or other temporary structure.

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