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Re: Linux Mint 12 “Lisa” released

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honest question: why are so many people hating on unity? is it the launcher bar?

There are a bunch of slightly off-center use cases that Unity doesn't handle well at all (or at least not yet). For me it's multi-screen setups, which it didn't cope with well for me as of 11.04 ...

Re: Linux Mint 12 “Lisa” released

#52

honest question: why are so many people hating on unity? is it the launcher bar?

I hate Unity for various reasons:

* Stability: I've had issues on multiple different hardware setups. Trying to configure compiz plugins -- hung. Reboot then failed to re-log in to "3d" Unity. Only "2d" unity, where all the key shortcuts were different. Sigh.

* Stupid UI design: Maximized windows get the top panel as their title-bar, but that panel displays a different name if a different window is active.

* UI glithces: Double-click of title usually [un]maximizes. That is, unless you're trying to unmaximize a non-active window.

* Winkey behavior: Type the full name of an application, hit , and a different application is executed! That is because the search happened to find that different application, and not my application yet.

* Slowing me down: The time it takes to un-hide the bar is extremely long and slows me down.

* No fast way to minimize a window with the mouse (I used to be able to click a task bar item)

* No easy glance to see which windows I was working with

* Crappy workspace switcher: requires multiple clicks to switch workspaces, cannot drag&drop windows between desktops, etc.

I really cannot hope to remember the hundreds of annoyances I've had when trying to use Unity. I find it to be really incompetent design.

Apple may be competent enough to decide to throw everything away and design something nice. The Ubuntu guys are not. They should have stuck to incrementally improving the Linux desktop as it was. I think that now, they're going to become irrelevant.

Re: Linux Mint 12 “Lisa” released

#53

The push to Unity made me try alternate window managers. I've ended up sticking with Awesome, which is a pretty sweet tiling window manager. More minimalistic than it needs to be, but still, the core functionality is great. I have multiple workspaces with different tiling schemes for different tasks - one for general purpose, one for terminal hacking (spiralling terminal windows), one for bug fixing (side by side win…

Awesome Window Manager is great for dual monitors. Once you master it you can switch focus between them without leaving the keyboard.

Re: Linux Mint 12 “Lisa” released

#54
post #20

I am not convinced by their "Fresh Upgrade" that looks like a fresh install! Ideally we should be able to upgrade automatically like Chrome or Windows or Wordpress. The future of Linux is here.

With a clean install, there's less chance of an incident, and if you put /home on a separate partition, you don't have to back up your data (although you should, anyway). If you installed extra packages from the repos, you can get them back with: dpkg --get-selections > packages.txt After reinstalling, do dpkg --set-selections As for automatic upgrades, that goes against the Linux / free software attitude that the us…

You serious? Keeping your system secure without the users intervention goes against free software?

Re: Linux Mint 12 “Lisa” released

#56

The push to Unity made me try alternate window managers. I've ended up sticking with Awesome, which is a pretty sweet tiling window manager. More minimalistic than it needs to be, but still, the core functionality is great. I have multiple workspaces with different tiling schemes for different tasks - one for general purpose, one for terminal hacking (spiralling terminal windows), one for bug fixing (side by side win…

When Ubuntu moved to Gnome3/Unity, I did the same. I tried Kubuntu, but found KDE far too different from what I remember back in the KDE3 days to be comfortable with. Then I settled on Xubuntu, which gave me Gnome2 familiarity with XFCE.

Then, I installed Bluetile (http://bluetile.org/) which is a tiling window manager that functions well in desktop environments. It lets me use several different tiling layouts and different modes including tiling, full screen, and floating. Everything can be done with the keyboard or the mouse (there's a narrow pane on the side of the screen with all the functions available as buttons). I've still got window dragging, resizing with the mouse, minimize, maximize, etc. buttons, and a host of new features to play with. I find Bluetile to be the best of both worlds for me, and not much of a compromise at that.

Re: Linux Mint 12 “Lisa” released

#57
post #37

honest question: why are so many people hating on unity? is it the launcher bar?

Some people have legitimate complaints, there are a couple minor bugs and glitches in Unity still. But mostly what I see is knee-jerk resistance to change; even if Unity is a better UI, they hate it because it's different from what they're familiar with. It's exactly the same kind of hang-wringing we saw from a lot of the GNOME 1 users when GNOME 2 came out.

Sure, some of it is resistance to change, but that's not all of it. It also has to do with users, particularly power users, having their workflow broken. That was essentially Linus Torvalds' complaint about GNOME 3 being a mess, and why he's now back on GNOME 2.

Re: Linux Mint 12 “Lisa” released

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're comparing apples to oranges, kind of. What you're saying isn't necessarily reflective of Mint 12; it could just as well be Ubuntu 11.10.

I should have mentioned that I've tried Ubuntu 11.10 on the same machine and noticed similar UI performance problems compared to Ubuntu 10.10 (as well as a broken compiz). Yes, some of this could be attributed to Ubuntu 11.10, but the comparison is still valid since both are competing for me as a user. If the Mint team finds it necessarily to subsume Ubuntu then they must be prepared to accept the problems that are i…

I'm on 11.04 with gnome-classic and working well. The key is to go back to the previous releases compiz via ppa.

Re: Linux Mint 12 “Lisa” released

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I should have mentioned that I've tried Ubuntu 11.10 on the same machine and noticed similar UI performance problems compared to Ubuntu 10.10 (as well as a broken compiz). Yes, some of this could be attributed to Ubuntu 11.10, but the comparison is still valid since both are competing for me as a user. If the Mint team finds it necessarily to subsume Ubuntu then they must be prepared to accept the problems that are i…

I'm on 11.04 with gnome-classic and working well. The key is to go back to the previous releases compiz via ppa.

Could you write a little more about this, please?

Re: Linux Mint 12 “Lisa” released

#60
I had great hopes for this release. The fglrx drivers are fething up the "shiny" gnome 3 desktop environment, not to mention I haven't seen anything great about it either -which I am coming to that shortly. MATE is... same as gnome3, I haven't seen anything special about it either. As for gnome 2, why I cannot add widgets to taskbars blows my mind...

As far as I can see, and ironically, these new releases have less usability than their older and "geekier" versions. I mean back in linux mint 9 I could find compiz settings in 2 clicks. Now I cannot even see a compiz settings button anywhere. I mean, what the hell was wrong with my rotating cube desktop? Sure, it wasn't breaking any "productivity increase" reports but it made me happy to work with my linux box, not to mention all of the mac & win people looking with envy to these effects which my pieceashit netbook can pull off while their overpowered books can't.

Two popular distros (I mean ubuntu and linux mint currently) had created an end goal it seems: "We want to be the mac of the linux world!". In the old days it was "we want to be the windows of the linux world" and this decision killed kde4. But the correct direction is to be an unique experience. Compiz did that, and as far as I can see none of the big mothers of the software world (yes I am looking at you m$ and apple) has a similar software to that!

TL;DR:Don't macify yourself.

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