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Antigua and Barbuda may vote to remove King Charles III as its head of state

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Re: Antigua and Barbuda may vote to remove King Charles III as its head of state

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Post by boomboomsubban »

smcl wrote: post #80
boomboomsubban wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering they recently publicly decided to be British, they're about as British as you can be.

Heh touché, but I think we can all agree that’s maybe not really reflective of popular regional attitudes towards “British”-ness. And I suppose we will see as the parade travels south and crossese the border, but I don’t think you will see the same sort of anti-Charles sentiment in Manchester or London.

Fair, I didn't like what look like a dismissal of the Scottish people's Britishness.

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Post by frosted-flakes »

ladberg wrote: post #79
unpopularopp wrote: post #67

I'd rather have a monarchy than a president. I live in a country where we have a PM and president too which is elected by the parliament (which means it's just another random career politician so it might as well be Joe from the corner shop). At least to me European constitutional monarchy always symbolized stable democracy. There is a reason you find them in the rich western European countries like Denmark, Sweden,…

> At least to me European constitutional monarchy always symbolized stable democracy. I'd say you have the correlation backwards: the current European monarchies only exist because they were smart enough to largely defer governance to democratic processes. The ones that didn't no longer exist.

That's what a constitutional monarchy is.

Re: Antigua and Barbuda may vote to remove King Charles III as its head of state

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Post by [deleted] »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #91
smcl wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heh touché, but I think we can all agree that’s maybe not really reflective of popular regional attitudes towards “British”-ness. And I suppose we will see as the parade travels south and crossese the border, but I don’t think you will see the same sort of anti-Charles sentiment in Manchester or London.

Fair, I didn't like what look like a dismissal of the Scottish people's Britishness.

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Re: Antigua and Barbuda may vote to remove King Charles III as its head of state

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Post by jasonjei »

Wildgoose wrote: post #50
cfcf14 wrote: post #21

As I Canadian I would strongly support removing the English monarchy as our head of state. I hope other countries do so as well.

It's the Canadian monarchy just as much as it's the English monarchy.

Even though the crowns are distinct, the crown resides primarily in the UK, no?

Re: Antigua and Barbuda may vote to remove King Charles III as its head of state

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Post by Tsarbomb »

Wildgoose wrote: post #50
cfcf14 wrote: post #21

As I Canadian I would strongly support removing the English monarchy as our head of state. I hope other countries do so as well.

It's the Canadian monarchy just as much as it's the English monarchy.

It's wild how many people don't understand this.

To help spell it out for those who keep misunderstanding, when the Queen visited the USA in 2010, she did it as Queen of Canada, under the Canadian flag, with Canadian staff and security.

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Post by lm28469 »

giarc wrote: post #30
cfcf14 wrote: post #21

As I Canadian I would strongly support removing the English monarchy as our head of state. I hope other countries do so as well.

As a fellow Canadian, I genuinely ask 'why'? I'm neither in favour or opposed to removing the monarchy but I'm wondering why we would? Is our country being held back in some way from having the monarchy? Is it just because of the cost, the pomp and circumstance? I suspect there are benefits to having the monarchy as head of state, what happens when we lose them? I'd love to see Jann Arden on the one dollar coin, but…

> I suspect there are benefits to having the monarchy as head of state

For them for sure, especially financially wise

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #68
maccard wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Scottish people.

Considering they recently publicly decided to be British, they're about as British as you can be.

Technically, Scots as in those born in Scotland and still living there voted to not be British. The vote was open to all living in Scotland (above the age of 16), which includes many people from the other nations such as England who may (or may not) consider themselves Scots, and conversely some people may consider themselves Scots but not live in Scotland.

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Post by culturestate »

bena wrote: post #59
culturestate wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's also why the Presidential Succession Act may be unconstitutional. As the Constitution specifies that only an officer may be designated a successor and members of Congress are explicitly excluded from being officers. Given that the first time the Speaker of the House and the Senate president pro tem were proposed as successors under Article II was during the literal 1st Congress in 1792, I think it’s pretty unl…

Yes, I understand it's been like this for a while, but that doesn't make the law Constitutional. Several things the " actual people who signed the Constitution " did were deemed to be unconstitutional. Why? Because there were many people who ratified the Constitution, each with their own ideas. Even when the 1792 version of the bill was signed, the issue was brought up. By the " actual people who signed the Constitut…

> The fact that it is a law, has been a law for a while, and a version of it has been a law since nearly the beginning of the country has no bearing on whether or not that law is legal.

This is true! But it’s also immaterial to the point I’m trying to make.

I’m not arguing for or against the de jure constitutionality of the law; I’m saying that it’s unlikely any modern-day court would find it within themselves to overrule the de facto state of affairs that was created by the framers themselves.

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Post by frosted-flakes »

deskamess wrote: post #11
Pasorrijer wrote: post #3

I'm very curious, in all of these cases, what the replacement will be and even if there will be a replacement. I mentioned that to my wife (we're Canadian), and her response was why do we even need a head of state if we have a Prime Minister? And I'll be honest, I didn't have an answer.

There is no need for it. That Royal Assent requirement is both BS and law and needs to be done away with. But Canadians who love monarchy are happy to require others to 'swear allegiance to the King/Queen AND heirs' - which includes the pedophile Andrew. There really is no need for this third party to be involved in Canadian affairs. Yes it is in the constitution right now but if you have some self respect and feel t…

Prince Andrew is not an heir to the throne. Well, he is, but he's so far down the list that we can safely ignore him.

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Post by ladberg »

frosted-flakes wrote: post #92
ladberg wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At least to me European constitutional monarchy always symbolized stable democracy. I'd say you have the correlation backwards: the current European monarchies only exist because they were smart enough to largely defer governance to democratic processes. The ones that didn't no longer exist.

That's what a constitutional monarchy is.

In practice that may be largely the case but it's not by definition true and still has counterexamples (Bahrain, Kuwait).
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