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Re: Android File System Hierarchy

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Post by Lammy » Sat, Nov 26, 2011, 7:04 PM UTC

a3_nm wrote: post #6

Palomides wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

let's spin it the other way: what advantages would following the LSB have? there is little need for standard linux utilities to be easily ported to android, the standard utils are not included, and package management is dealt with in an android-specific way

> there is little need for standard linux utilities to be easily ported to android There is need for that. I've been trying to ssh to my Android and use it like I would use a regular computer, and it's a nightmare to set up.

I had no trouble setting this up with QuickSSHd (not affiliated): https://market.android.com/details?id=com.teslacoilsw.quicks...

Re: Android File System Hierarchy

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Post by jerf » Sat, Nov 26, 2011, 7:20 PM UTC

anantshri wrote: post #7

a3_nm wrote: post #5

This is a very good idea. However, the interface isn't very convenient (especially having to mouse over items to get the description).

I gave a thought of providing a description directly but then it was getting too messy, If you can suggest an alternate approach i am ready to try it out.

The tree controls just get in the way. There is not so much content here that it justifies needing to click 5 or 10 times just to see it all. When I first visited the page with NoScript, the tree was actually easier to see because it defaulted to fully open.

I'd also consider just inlining the "details" too with a simple "dirname - details" scheme; maybe color them a little differently (I wouldn't even go nuts, just a dark grey vs. black will be fine, not bright red or anything). Unfortunately, you've gone through a lot of work to make the content on this page quite difficult to use :(

Re: Android File System Hierarchy

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Post by 10100101001 » Sat, Nov 26, 2011, 7:31 PM UTC

IgorPartola wrote: post #2

Does anyone know the reason for Android not following the LSB standard? Is this out of necessity or just to be different?

Whatever the reasons for not following standards, no matter what company is doing it, I think they should be weighed against the advantages _to the computing community as a whole_ of following standards. Each user might ask themselves, "Is it more worth it for me to learn some nonstandard stuff that will only apply to one company's products, or to learn some standard stuff that applies to many companies' products."

I see clear advantages to everyone who has ever learned UNIX (and everyone who learns it going forward) of UNIX-like systems having a standard set of UNIX utilities and keeping things in their expected locations. Namely, there's less to learn and potentially wider applicability across a range of products.

Re: Android File System Hierarchy

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Post by mikle » Sat, Nov 26, 2011, 8:05 PM UTC

jerf wrote: post #12

anantshri wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I gave a thought of providing a description directly but then it was getting too messy, If you can suggest an alternate approach i am ready to try it out.

The tree controls just get in the way. There is not so much content here that it justifies needing to click 5 or 10 times just to see it all. When I first visited the page with NoScript, the tree was actually easier to see because it defaulted to fully open. I'd also consider just inlining the "details" too with a simple "dirname - details" scheme; maybe color them a little differently (I wouldn't even go nuts, just…

I don't think an upvote is enough to show that I agree with you. Especially the last sentence. The info is very interesting, but I gave up after I opened the first tree.

Another problem jerf's design fixes is that you have no way of telling which line has a tooltip and which doesn't, and coupled with the fact the tooltips take a fraction of a second to appear waste my time.

Re: Android File System Hierarchy

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Nov 26, 2011, 8:12 PM UTC

a3_nm wrote: post #6

Palomides wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

let's spin it the other way: what advantages would following the LSB have? there is little need for standard linux utilities to be easily ported to android, the standard utils are not included, and package management is dealt with in an android-specific way

> there is little need for standard linux utilities to be easily ported to android There is need for that. I've been trying to ssh to my Android and use it like I would use a regular computer, and it's a nightmare to set up.

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Re: Android File System Hierarchy

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Post by ryanbraganza » Sat, Nov 26, 2011, 10:37 PM UTC

I think it would be nicer if the folders were grouped together (at the top).

Re: Android File System Hierarchy

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Post by leoh » Sat, Nov 26, 2011, 11:24 PM UTC

Cool, but why can't I see this hierarchy when I plug my HTC Droid into my Mac? I certainly don't see a /data/data directory, even with ls -a. Do I have to root the thing?

Re: Android File System Hierarchy

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Post by juliano_q » Sun, Nov 27, 2011, 3:42 AM UTC

leoh wrote: post #17

Cool, but why can't I see this hierarchy when I plug my HTC Droid into my Mac? I certainly don't see a /data/data directory, even with ls -a. Do I have to root the thing?

I dont know why it happens, but I "resolved" it by rooting the device and downloading the app Root Explorer.

Re: Android File System Hierarchy

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Post by a3_nm » Sun, Nov 27, 2011, 4:42 AM UTC

Lammy wrote: post #11

a3_nm wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> there is little need for standard linux utilities to be easily ported to android There is need for that. I've been trying to ssh to my Android and use it like I would use a regular computer, and it's a nightmare to set up.

I had no trouble setting this up with QuickSSHd (not affiliated): https://market.android.com/details?id=com.teslacoilsw.quicks...

The problem isn't getting ssh access (Cyanogen ships with the dropbear ssh server), but getting decent userland tools and possibly some form of package management. This is hard precisely because Android doesn't obey the LSB and assumes that mostly everything will be done in Java.

It would be very nice to have an OS designed for phones which would be a standard Linux with additional stuff on top. Sadly, Android is more of a Linux kernel without standard tools but with a bulky alien Java-based stuff to do everything.

Re: Android File System Hierarchy

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Post by hahainternet » Sun, Nov 27, 2011, 9:15 AM UTC

leoh wrote: post #17

Cool, but why can't I see this hierarchy when I plug my HTC Droid into my Mac? I certainly don't see a /data/data directory, even with ls -a. Do I have to root the thing?

You are likely seeing the SD card or 'external storage' contents. The filesystem isn't exposed without extra work. Rooting of course, gives you access to write (and read some areas)