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Re: Atkinson Hyperlegible Font

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Post by Zak »

GekkePrutser wrote: post #87
soco wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But why PDF at all? Is there a reason to put the online license in a PDF? Or any other places, like the restaurant menus? is there anybody who wants/needs to print the license or the restaurant menu?

I really hate those restaurants that only have QR codes on the table for menus. A restaurant is for eating and talking, not for messing around with my phone. I avoid those now. During Covid there was a slight point (though it was pretty soon proven that surface transmission was so minor a factor not to warrant such actions). But now we should just go back to normal menus.

I don't mind this when it's done well. I'm going to have to mess with something to find out what food the restaurant sells and my phone is about as good an option as any. It can allow easier menu changes, inclusion of specials, and the like.

In practice, however most restaurants seem to go for a PDF of their previous menu design formatted for printing on a paper many times the size of my phone. That's a bad experience and restaurants that do it deserve to lose business over it. I'm reminded of about a decade long period not long ago when a restaurant website was more likely to have animations and music than the hours and menu.

Re: Atkinson Hyperlegible Font

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Post by an_ko »

supernova87a wrote: post #129

Interesting that the slash on the zero character goes in the opposite slant direction than you normally see? Also, in the middle of that webpage, they show how the shapes in "ER79jr" are slightly different from conventional (they didn't notate it but I assume the yellow background alternate shapes are what are usually seen), but could have used some better explanation why those alternate shapes are confusing.

I imagine the "backslash" in the zero is intended to make it more distinct from Ø and ø.

Re: Atkinson Hyperlegible Font

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Post by pengstrom »

supernova87a wrote: post #129

Interesting that the slash on the zero character goes in the opposite slant direction than you normally see? Also, in the middle of that webpage, they show how the shapes in "ER79jr" are slightly different from conventional (they didn't notate it but I assume the yellow background alternate shapes are what are usually seen), but could have used some better explanation why those alternate shapes are confusing.

I assume this is to differentiate with 'Ø'

Re: Atkinson Hyperlegible Font

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Post by ShockedUnicorn »

Zak wrote: post #93
naillo wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had such a different experience. I found the EULA surprisingly readible and easy to understand. Just 5 easy bullet points rather than a multi page document of legalese.

They could have used the SIL Open Font License instead. People in the open source world are often already familiar with it, and resources like tl;dr Legal are available for it. Their EULA is, in fact almost exactly the SIL Open Font License, but someone decided minor changes in wording were more valuable than standardization. https://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?item_id=OFL_web https://tldrlegal.com/license/o…

If you go to the google fonts version of this font ( https://fonts.google.com/specimen/Atkinson+Hyperlegible )

It DOES use SIL Open Font License. Maybe it's dual licensed?

Re: Atkinson Hyperlegible Font

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Post by JasonFruit »

GekkePrutser wrote: post #87
soco wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But why PDF at all? Is there a reason to put the online license in a PDF? Or any other places, like the restaurant menus? is there anybody who wants/needs to print the license or the restaurant menu?

I really hate those restaurants that only have QR codes on the table for menus. A restaurant is for eating and talking, not for messing around with my phone. I avoid those now. During Covid there was a slight point (though it was pretty soon proven that surface transmission was so minor a factor not to warrant such actions). But now we should just go back to normal menus.

Sometimes now this is because of supply problems that make a single, consistent menu embarrassing to the business: nobody wants to have to say, "I'm sorry; we're out of salmon and eggplant, and we haven't had coconut milk for a week. Can I offer the three of you something else?" An electronic menu can be changed immediately and at practically no cost.

Re: Atkinson Hyperlegible Font

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Post by GuB-42 »

With a few tweaks (monospaced variant), it could make a great coding font.

Coding fonts have essentially the same goal: make similar looking characters different: 1liI|, 0O, etc... Code naturally strains our visual acuity: we want to see as much as possible, it means that we may use a smaller font size than we would find comfortable reading text with. Single letter, punctuation, etc... can be really important, in regular text, you can understand even if you can't read all the characters. So a hyperlegible font can help coders, even those with good vision, and many coding fonts already have "hyperlegible" features.

Re: Atkinson Hyperlegible Font

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Post by dang »

Related:

Atkinson Hyperlegible – a font by the Braille Institute designed for legibility - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28010540 - July 2021 (1 comment)

Atkinson Hyperlegible Font - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26011945 - Feb 2021 (86 comments)

Atkinson Hyperlegible Font - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25154417 - Nov 2020 (10 comments)

Atkinson Hyperlegible Font - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24853550 - Oct 2020 (3 comments)

A Free Hyperlegible Typeface from the Braille Institute - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24791358 - Oct 2020 (4 comments)

Re: Atkinson Hyperlegible Font

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Post by deltasevennine »

shakabrah wrote: post #45

An aside: Why is it that most posts about a new product or project some people have put together is usually greeted with skepticism and negativity in HN comments? What is that all about? It is a pattern Ive continuously seen and it seems like only the true home runs receive any kind of praise. Most replies are either about lack of evidence or someone’s alternative preference. I see that latter one a good deal.

>Why is it that most posts about a new product or project some people have put together is usually greeted with skepticism and negativity in HN comments? What is that all about?

It makes perfect sense why these things are greeted with skepticism. Because Most things in the world don't succeed. Most things fail. Thus when you see things treated with negativity and skepticism that is MORE likely to be inline with the actual reality. Thus if HN is actually more negative then normal, then that means HN users have a more realistic view of reality.

>Most replies are either about lack of evidence or someone’s alternative preference. I see that latter one a good deal.

Why is the latter a good deal if it isn't true? If 99.999% of the world doesn't have this alternative preference it's biased to even bring it up. There's no need to be personally insulting but if you think something is genuinely bad then i think it's perfectly ok to just say what you think.

When someone asks for praise, or when someone asks for positivity in a way they are by probability more likely to be asking for fake opinions and white lies. I don't come to HN for that kind of thing. But I will say that Dang (the moderator) loves this kind thing; and the moderation culture he promotes is more inline with your attitude. If you see a negative post, you can flag it, and he will take a side.

Re: Atkinson Hyperlegible Font

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Post by danuker »

balefrost wrote: post #91
aliqot wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That could have been in-page information rather than a PDF. Or even better, get rid of it. EULA for a font is a wishful move.

The EULA is giving you permission to e.g. copy and modify the font with certain restrictions (e.g. include the license text if you distribute it). In that regard, it's not terribly dissimilar in spirit from an open source software license.

Why is it not an actual open source license? Perhaps CC-By or something?

Re: Atkinson Hyperlegible Font

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Post by HyperSane »

JasonFruit wrote: post #135
GekkePrutser wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really hate those restaurants that only have QR codes on the table for menus. A restaurant is for eating and talking, not for messing around with my phone. I avoid those now. During Covid there was a slight point (though it was pretty soon proven that surface transmission was so minor a factor not to warrant such actions). But now we should just go back to normal menus.

Sometimes now this is because of supply problems that make a single, consistent menu embarrassing to the business: nobody wants to have to say, "I'm sorry; we're out of salmon and eggplant, and we haven't had coconut milk for a week. Can I offer the three of you something else?" An electronic menu can be changed immediately and at practically no cost.

An electronic menu can also have prices that change every hour based on how busy the place is or even have prices based on demographic information gleaned from the user's phone.
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