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A girl wanted to keep the goat she raised for a county fair. They killed it

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Re: A girl wanted to keep the goat she raised for a county fair. They killed it

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nashashmi wrote: post #138
uxcolumbo wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't follow. Can you elaborate?

You are trying to insert your own views into the upbringing of other people's kids in order for them to be have taken the same view point as yourself. Agenda.

Factory farming causes the following:

- environmental destruction, biodiversity loss, Amazon destruction, overfishing etc

- causes PTSD in some slaughterhouse workers

- animals lead a miserable life and die horribly.

That's not a view but a fact.

There is a reason why kids are not being shown the reality of this.

Would you show your kid slaughterhouse scenes from this documentary - https://www.nationearth.com/ ?

Re: A girl wanted to keep the goat she raised for a county fair. They killed it

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Post by nashashmi »

uxcolumbo wrote: post #141
nashashmi wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are trying to insert your own views into the upbringing of other people's kids in order for them to be have taken the same view point as yourself. Agenda.

Factory farming causes the following: - environmental destruction, biodiversity loss, Amazon destruction, overfishing etc - causes PTSD in some slaughterhouse workers - animals lead a miserable life and die horribly. That's not a view but a fact. There is a reason why kids are not being shown the reality of this. Would you show your kid slaughterhouse scenes from this documentary - https://www.nationearth.com/ ?

> That's not a view but a fact.

Ok. The rest of it is a view!

Re: A girl wanted to keep the goat she raised for a county fair. They killed it

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Post by nashashmi »

uxcolumbo wrote: post #140
nashashmi wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More poultry and meat means more co2 capture.

So following that logic we should eat more meat to reduce global heating and keep it below or at 1.5C increase as urged by the IPCC?

Following that logic, we should raise more animals, either through public parks/recreations, zoos, farms, or public feeding.

Like how India does it. There used to be a documentary on netflix on this. The greatest density of animals and humans, where both help each other survive.

Re: A girl wanted to keep the goat she raised for a county fair. They killed it

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Post by uxcolumbo »

nashashmi wrote: post #142
uxcolumbo wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Factory farming causes the following: - environmental destruction, biodiversity loss, Amazon destruction, overfishing etc - causes PTSD in some slaughterhouse workers - animals lead a miserable life and die horribly. That's not a view but a fact. There is a reason why kids are not being shown the reality of this. Would you show your kid slaughterhouse scenes from this documentary - https://www.nationearth.com/ ?

> That's not a view but a fact. Ok. The rest of it is a view!

Ok - so thank you for acknowledging the facts about factory farming.

So what I'm saying is that if we would talk to our kids about this or show them the realities of factory farms and slaughterhouses and show them that there are alternatives that don't involve all that destruction - then my view is most kids would instinctively choose the option that doesn't involve killing and making animals suffer.

I'm not saying we have to force kids - but instead give them the facts and let them decide.

But we are not doing it, since we know the reality of factory farming and slaughterhouses is grim.

Even a lot of adults can't look at that footage.

As Paul McCartney said - if slaughterhouses were made of glass and people could look into it - many would be horrified.

Re: A girl wanted to keep the goat she raised for a county fair. They killed it

#145

Post by uxcolumbo »

nashashmi wrote: post #143
uxcolumbo wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So following that logic we should eat more meat to reduce global heating and keep it below or at 1.5C increase as urged by the IPCC?

Following that logic, we should raise more animals, either through public parks/recreations, zoos, farms, or public feeding. Like how India does it. There used to be a documentary on netflix on this. The greatest density of animals and humans, where both help each other survive.

I don't understand.

I was asking you whether you meant that breeding more animals for slaughter would solve our high carbon footprint in the animal agriculture industry?

If yes - then it doesn't make sense, since the science community agrees we need to reduce meat and dairy consumption not increase it.

And a lot of people in India are vegetarian.

Re: A girl wanted to keep the goat she raised for a county fair. They killed it

#146

Post by nashashmi »

uxcolumbo wrote: post #144
nashashmi wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That's not a view but a fact. Ok. The rest of it is a view!

Ok - so thank you for acknowledging the facts about factory farming. So what I'm saying is that if we would talk to our kids about this or show them the realities of factory farms and slaughterhouses and show them that there are alternatives that don't involve all that destruction - then my view is most kids would instinctively choose the option that doesn't involve killing and making animals suffer. I'm not saying w…

Which makes this an agenda, back to where we were from the start.

Re: A girl wanted to keep the goat she raised for a county fair. They killed it

#147

Post by nashashmi »

uxcolumbo wrote: post #145
nashashmi wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Following that logic, we should raise more animals, either through public parks/recreations, zoos, farms, or public feeding. Like how India does it. There used to be a documentary on netflix on this. The greatest density of animals and humans, where both help each other survive.

I don't understand. I was asking you whether you meant that breeding more animals for slaughter would solve our high carbon footprint in the animal agriculture industry? If yes - then it doesn't make sense, since the science community agrees we need to reduce meat and dairy consumption not increase it. And a lot of people in India are vegetarian.

Raising more animals does not increase global warming. And eating those animals does not increase global warming.

> lot of people in india are vegetarian.

Not really. Majority are not vegetarian. only Gujurat is Majority vegetarian. Every where else they are a minority. They have made it a purpose of life to feed wild animals, and live with wild animals. It's quite fascinating.

Re: A girl wanted to keep the goat she raised for a county fair. They killed it

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Post by uxcolumbo »

nashashmi wrote: post #147
uxcolumbo wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand. I was asking you whether you meant that breeding more animals for slaughter would solve our high carbon footprint in the animal agriculture industry? If yes - then it doesn't make sense, since the science community agrees we need to reduce meat and dairy consumption not increase it. And a lot of people in India are vegetarian.

Raising more animals does not increase global warming. And eating those animals does not increase global warming. > lot of people in india are vegetarian. Not really. Majority are not vegetarian. only Gujurat is Majority vegetarian. Every where else they are a minority. They have made it a purpose of life to feed wild animals, and live with wild animals. It's quite fascinating.

> Raising more animals does not increase global warming. And eating those animals does not increase global warming.

Raising more animals will mean more resources are required, such as land, water etc. It's more efficient to use that land and use that water to grow food for us.

So are you saying the scientific community is wrong by saying that the world needs to reduce meat & dairy consumption?

Re: A girl wanted to keep the goat she raised for a county fair. They killed it

#149

Post by uxcolumbo »

nashashmi wrote: post #146
uxcolumbo wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok - so thank you for acknowledging the facts about factory farming. So what I'm saying is that if we would talk to our kids about this or show them the realities of factory farms and slaughterhouses and show them that there are alternatives that don't involve all that destruction - then my view is most kids would instinctively choose the option that doesn't involve killing and making animals suffer. I'm not saying w…

Which makes this an agenda, back to where we were from the start.

Which definition of agenda are you referring to?

1) discuss a list of item 2) "hidden purpose" - which is a negative connotation.

If you mean point 2 then how is discussing with kids the facts and showing the reality of factory farming a hidden purpose?

Are you saying kids should not know what they are eating and how it's being produced?

Re: A girl wanted to keep the goat she raised for a county fair. They killed it

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Post by nashashmi »

uxcolumbo wrote: post #149
nashashmi wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which makes this an agenda, back to where we were from the start.

Which definition of agenda are you referring to? 1) discuss a list of item 2) "hidden purpose" - which is a negative connotation. If you mean point 2 then how is discussing with kids the facts and showing the reality of factory farming a hidden purpose? Are you saying kids should not know what they are eating and how it's being produced?

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