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Re: Ask HN: Help me pick a front-end framework

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Post by threatofrain »

ravenstine wrote: post #106
chaos_emergent wrote: post #12

Sounds like you're in a similar place as me a year ago. Here's a list of tools that I'd use: - TypeScript for language. Gives you an insanely expressive type system that is a step up from Python duck typing (which you seem familiar with after perusing your GH). - React for framework. Frontend experts will shit on it for being non-performant or having a poor UX, but the community is massive and you'll have a ton of su…

I have to disagree with the Typescript part. Granted, it's not a bad suggestion, and there's a lot that's good about TS, but this isn't what I would consider a good place for it for a few reasons. TS, in my experience, has limited benefit when it comes to building a UI, and frontend JS is heavily married to UI programming. For guaranteeing UI functionality, writing years is a better use of one's time. What's more imp…

For personal projects you should learn how to make TS shut up. I’ve found TS useless on the front end for many places… but for state and utility libraries it’s nice. Hence don’t aim for complete strictness.

Re: Ask HN: Help me pick a front-end framework

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Post by reducesuffering »

DangitBobby wrote: post #100
reducesuffering wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Prisma and NextAuth.js are first class modern Typescript replacements for Django’s ORM and auth respectively. Django’s only competitive advantage is its Admin and common convention.

Prisma is pretty good, but the migrations system doesn't really compare. If your answer to many (any?) migrations is "blow away the existing database", that's not gonna work for me. Another thing that's not gonna work for me is generating each migration by hand with SQL specific to the dialect that youre using in development, now that I'm spoiled with Django's auto-migrations. I've had good success with Prisma by usi…

Extend the User model in Prisma: https://github.com/t3-oss/create-t3-app/blob/main/cli/templa...

Here's the file you add auth "providers": https://github.com/t3-oss/create-t3-app/blob/main/cli/templa...

Custom providers: https://next-auth.js.org/configuration/providers/oauth#using...

Re: Ask HN: Help me pick a front-end framework

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Post by matthewwolfe »

poulsbohemian wrote: post #84

For those recommending React: why not Vue? Not intending to be provocative so much as understanding where advocates see trade offs.

People tend to reply with what they know, and there’s no denying that React is incredibly popular. That said, pick any of the popular frameworks like React, Vue, Angular etc and it’ll be fine. There’s not really a huge difference between all of them.

Re: Ask HN: Help me pick a front-end framework

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Post by everybodyknows »

vladstudio wrote: post #109

As in every post about front-end frameworks, I must mention HTMX and Unpoly: https://htmx.org/ https://unpoly.com/ To learn more about the concept, please take a look at Essays here: https://htmx.org/essays/

Is Unpoly alternative to HTMX? Or could the two be complementary?

Re: Ask HN: Help me pick a front-end framework

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Post by ravenstine »

matthewwolfe wrote: post #137
ravenstine wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to disagree with the Typescript part. Granted, it's not a bad suggestion, and there's a lot that's good about TS, but this isn't what I would consider a good place for it for a few reasons. TS, in my experience, has limited benefit when it comes to building a UI, and frontend JS is heavily married to UI programming. For guaranteeing UI functionality, writing years is a better use of one's time. What's more imp…

OP literally mentions that weak typing is a deal breaker, so they should definitely use typescript.

Honestly, I did not catch that part. I still think it's a poor idea, but that's only my opinion. If they really don't want weak typing, then yeah, TS it is.

Re: Ask HN: Help me pick a front-end framework

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Post by blaydator »

cageface wrote: post #20
blaydator wrote: post #13

Typescript doesn’t make sense if you don’t manipulate a lot of data or around the app. It can be a pain and lead to a lot of fatigue if don’t get benefits out of it. I am still using js for most of my personal front end projects, and still benefits from intellisense from libraries written in typescript even in standard .js file with VSCode and other IDEs. But 100% of my project uses Eslint (with « recommended » rules…

I very strongly disagree with this. Typescript is a lifesaver on a non-trivial React codebase. Writing correct code is hard and you need every advantage you can muster. Type checking is an important part of that.

Totally agree, for non trivial project it totally makes sens, but for hobby project it doesn’t always make sens. Even less for beginners like OP.

Re: Ask HN: Help me pick a front-end framework

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Post by ravenstine »

threatofrain wrote: post #141
ravenstine wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to disagree with the Typescript part. Granted, it's not a bad suggestion, and there's a lot that's good about TS, but this isn't what I would consider a good place for it for a few reasons. TS, in my experience, has limited benefit when it comes to building a UI, and frontend JS is heavily married to UI programming. For guaranteeing UI functionality, writing years is a better use of one's time. What's more imp…

For personal projects you should learn how to make TS shut up. I’ve found TS useless on the front end for many places… but for state and utility libraries it’s nice. Hence don’t aim for complete strictness.

That's a good point. TS is still very helpful for catching things before build time, but I don't always want it to actually stop me from doing certain things (which I know can be overridden but that takes more actions).

Re: Ask HN: Help me pick a front-end framework

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Post by klysm »

miedpo wrote: post #104

Vue2, Vue3, or React. React has a larger community but requires you to make a lot of decisions yourself. Also well integrated with Typescript. Vue2 is the only of these three that can be added to a webpage with a script tag. In that sense, it is a lot more simple than the other options. Still a pretty big community. Typescript integration is meh. Vue3 is Vue2 with better typescript integration but with tooling a bit…

> Vue2 is the only of these three that can be added to a webpage with a script tag. In that sense, it is a lot more simple than the other options.

Is that really that big of a differentiator? I definitely see the appeal especially in getting stuff out the door quickly, but I wouldn’t consider it in a comparison.

Re: Ask HN: Help me pick a front-end framework

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Post by hunterb123 »

klysm wrote: post #149
miedpo wrote: post #104

Vue2, Vue3, or React. React has a larger community but requires you to make a lot of decisions yourself. Also well integrated with Typescript. Vue2 is the only of these three that can be added to a webpage with a script tag. In that sense, it is a lot more simple than the other options. Still a pretty big community. Typescript integration is meh. Vue3 is Vue2 with better typescript integration but with tooling a bit…

> Vue2 is the only of these three that can be added to a webpage with a script tag. In that sense, it is a lot more simple than the other options. Is that really that big of a differentiator? I definitely see the appeal especially in getting stuff out the door quickly, but I wouldn’t consider it in a comparison.

It's also not true, React can be used with a single script tag
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