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Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida

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Re: Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida

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Post by marcinzm »

hackitup7 wrote: post #11
Gracana wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Engine failure, running out of fuel, stalls, spins, midair collisions, disorientation, etc. Cirrus has a history of CAPS deployments, linked in the article and copied here: https://www.cirruspilots.org/Safety/CAPS-Event-History

Very impressive to see how many people were able to walk away from these incidents, I wonder what the counts of injury or worse would look like without this system? Also it seems like these small planes have a lot of incidents, I'm guessing due to relatively inexperienced pilots?

>Also it seems like these small planes have a lot of incidents, I'm guessing due to relatively inexperienced pilots?

There's also less redundancy in the plane overall so if something goes wrong it's more likely to lead to serious issues. A large commercial plane has multiple pilots, engines, power sources, control surface systems, computers, sensors, etc.

Re: Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida

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Post by ilamont »

It amazes me the way the pilot doing the demonstration in the video (embedded in TFA) is so calm and matter-of-fact about the process. It's putting a remarkable degree of trust in an automated system, which, if there were some edge case failure, would be fatal.

Re: Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida

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Post by heyflyguy »

I'll be really curious to see what the reason for the deployment was. If it was listed elsewhere, I have missed it.

Looking at the CAPS pulls on SR22## aircraft, the primary reasons are almost always either 1) pilot error or 2) engine issues.

Getting to the point of being insurable in a VisionJet is likely no small feat, though I admit I have no idea what the minimums and/or ratings required are to obtain an affordable policy. I am expecting that a low-time pilot is not going to be able to afford the insurance.

Turbine engines are notably reliable, so am curious if there was some other kind of issue.

In any case, glad they are OK and am interested to see the NTSB report someday in the future as to the cause.

Re: Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida

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Post by bambataa »

ilamont wrote: post #22

It amazes me the way the pilot doing the demonstration in the video (embedded in TFA) is so calm and matter-of-fact about the process. It's putting a remarkable degree of trust in an automated system, which, if there were some edge case failure, would be fatal.

They’re in a simulator, aren’t they?

Re: Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida

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Post by barefoot »

api wrote: post #9

Is scaling such a thing to a passenger aircraft feasible?

I’d imagine it might be technically possible but not practical. The weight required for ballistic parachute systems is substantial. On small aircraft (such as Cirrus and Icon) it reduces the useful load, and thus range/payload, substantially. Range and payload are very important aspects of commercial passenger aircraft.

Further, commercial passenger aircraft are already very safe due to system redundancy not practical on smaller aircraft. Would a ballistic parachute system help with many accidents in this category? I would be willing to bet not. Ballistic parachute systems are not a magic bullet - they require substantial altitude/time to deploy (as much as 900 feet in a spin, for example). Many substantial aviation accidents happen during takeoff and landing below or near these altitudes.

Would you pay a multiple of your current airfare for an extremely small (practical) reduction in travel risk?

Re: Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida

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Post by bragr »

ilamont wrote: post #22

It amazes me the way the pilot doing the demonstration in the video (embedded in TFA) is so calm and matter-of-fact about the process. It's putting a remarkable degree of trust in an automated system, which, if there were some edge case failure, would be fatal.

>It's putting a remarkable degree of trust in an automated system, which, if there were some edge case failure, would be fatal.

You are doing that every time you climb in an aircraft if it has a FADEC.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FADEC

Re: Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida

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Post by drakythe »

bambataa wrote: post #24
ilamont wrote: post #22

It amazes me the way the pilot doing the demonstration in the video (embedded in TFA) is so calm and matter-of-fact about the process. It's putting a remarkable degree of trust in an automated system, which, if there were some edge case failure, would be fatal.

They’re in a simulator, aren’t they?

You mean they trained for this in a simulator? Probably yes. Was this incident in a simulator? Nope. This was a live pull in a real world scenario.

Edit: ah I see, the video footage. I was unable to watch due to mobile. My apologies!

Re: Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida

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Post by AYBABTME »

bombcar wrote: post #20
hackitup7 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very impressive to see how many people were able to walk away from these incidents, I wonder what the counts of injury or worse would look like without this system? Also it seems like these small planes have a lot of incidents, I'm guessing due to relatively inexperienced pilots?

Small plane pilots are generally “not as experienced as they could be” and so Cirrus pilots are trained “when in doubt pop it out” as you might be able to successfully crash land or make it to a landing field, but the chute doesn’t work below a certain altitude.

Lots of ATP certified folks end up in NTSB reports. At some point, it boils down to smaller aircrafts being more at the mercy of weather.

Re: Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida

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Post by yathern »

drakythe wrote: post #27
bambataa wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They’re in a simulator, aren’t they?

You mean they trained for this in a simulator? Probably yes. Was this incident in a simulator? Nope. This was a live pull in a real world scenario. Edit: ah I see, the video footage. I was unable to watch due to mobile. My apologies!

They're saying that the attached video in the article is from a simulator training. The video is not of the real life usage that just occurred.

Re: Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida

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Post by rossdavidh »

drakythe wrote: post #27
bambataa wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They’re in a simulator, aren’t they?

You mean they trained for this in a simulator? Probably yes. Was this incident in a simulator? Nope. This was a live pull in a real world scenario. Edit: ah I see, the video footage. I was unable to watch due to mobile. My apologies!

Demonstration in embedded video is a simulator, though.
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