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Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida

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Re: Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida

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Post by hackitup7 »

Gracana wrote: post #7
johntb86 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What sort of circumstances would they use this parachute? Engine failure? In a spin?

Engine failure, running out of fuel, stalls, spins, midair collisions, disorientation, etc. Cirrus has a history of CAPS deployments, linked in the article and copied here: https://www.cirruspilots.org/Safety/CAPS-Event-History

Very impressive to see how many people were able to walk away from these incidents, I wonder what the counts of injury or worse would look like without this system?

Also it seems like these small planes have a lot of incidents, I'm guessing due to relatively inexperienced pilots?

Re: Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida

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Post by teruakohatu »

api wrote: post #9

Is scaling such a thing to a passenger aircraft feasible?

I don't see why not but passenger aircraft are incredibly safe and the pilots are usually very experienced with at least in co-pilot. Even more so if you exclude war and runway related accidents which wouldn't be helped by a parachute.

Re: Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida

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Post by lisper »

p_l wrote: post #6
crooked-v wrote: post #2

For those wondering at the context, this is a company that builds well-liked small aircraft with the unique feature of having a last-resort emergency parachute for the entire plane built into the fuselage.

It's not unique to Cirrus, but Cirrus is probably most well known for having made bigger and heavier planes with BRS

> It's not unique to Cirrus

Not any more, but Cirrus introduced this technology to general aviation.

Re: Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida

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Post by heelix »

johntb86 wrote: post #4
crooked-v wrote: post #2

For those wondering at the context, this is a company that builds well-liked small aircraft with the unique feature of having a last-resort emergency parachute for the entire plane built into the fuselage.

What sort of circumstances would they use this parachute? Engine failure? In a spin?

Yes to both, with the assumption a unpowered landing is not a better option. The straps are part of the air frame - so the parachute more or less turns this into something disposable. Spin recovery is tricky enough I don't believe they have a procedure that does not involve the shoot.

A photo from the prop version, post deployment. You can see how the straps are embedded in. Neat system.

https://i.imgur.com/L54qyE7.jpg

Re: Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida

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Post by dmix »

ouid wrote: post #15

"no life threatening injuries", but notably did not walk away from the crash. There's a lot in between those two.

I you watch the video of a previous CAPS landing over water, the landings can still be a bit rough:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBCUQlF3MMU

But obviously 10x better than the alternative.

Re: Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida

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Post by petesergeant »

johntb86 wrote: post #4
crooked-v wrote: post #2

For those wondering at the context, this is a company that builds well-liked small aircraft with the unique feature of having a last-resort emergency parachute for the entire plane built into the fuselage.

What sort of circumstances would they use this parachute? Engine failure? In a spin?

let's say your wing detaches... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a8cntPdRtk

Re: Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida

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Post by Scoundreller »

teruakohatu wrote: post #12
api wrote: post #9

Is scaling such a thing to a passenger aircraft feasible?

I don't see why not but passenger aircraft are incredibly safe and the pilots are usually very experienced with at least in co-pilot. Even more so if you exclude war and runway related accidents which wouldn't be helped by a parachute.

A parachute in the right place could help some of those landing/runway incidents too. But hard to imagine many pilots deploying the chute on a landing they thought they were good for.

Re: Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida

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Post by bombcar »

hackitup7 wrote: post #11
Gracana wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Engine failure, running out of fuel, stalls, spins, midair collisions, disorientation, etc. Cirrus has a history of CAPS deployments, linked in the article and copied here: https://www.cirruspilots.org/Safety/CAPS-Event-History

Very impressive to see how many people were able to walk away from these incidents, I wonder what the counts of injury or worse would look like without this system? Also it seems like these small planes have a lot of incidents, I'm guessing due to relatively inexperienced pilots?

Small plane pilots are generally “not as experienced as they could be” and so Cirrus pilots are trained “when in doubt pop it out” as you might be able to successfully crash land or make it to a landing field, but the chute doesn’t work below a certain altitude.
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