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Ubuntu’s move to Unity is the best thing that ever happened to Linux

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Re: Ubuntu’s move to Unity is the best thing that ever happened to Linux

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> The non geek will [...] love the gloss that Unity brings to Ubuntu.

I don't know. It seems common sense that "non geeks" (hear, common people) like glossy things. After all, the Miss Universe thing has some success and is pure gloss. But I think it can also be an observation bias, or the result of a self-fulfilling prophecy kind of thing.

For instance, we check what people like to watch on TV, but what the people are fed with on the TV is already the result of some presupposition over what they like.

Some counter example exist, showing that people do not always like preformatted content, or glossy interface. Two different cases come to mind:

In France, there was a movie called Etre et Avoir, about a teacher in a remote countryside village. No professional actors, no story, just some shots in a school. Who would have bet on it? Is it not obvious that spectators want action, glamour, movie stars? Well in this case it was not true: the movie has been widely successful.

Another case, closer to HN interest: Is not Wikipedia the most successful (rich) content website ever? Who could say without laughing that Wikipedia has a glossy interface?

So I think one need to avoid clichés and presuppositions about "non geeks". They may or may not like Unity. If they do, it could be because it looks "glossy", yes, maybe, but it could also be because it just works, or because it is cheap, or because it is fast, or for some other reason.

Re: Ubuntu’s move to Unity is the best thing that ever happened to Linux

#12
I am a developer and I don't know what he's talking about. Sure Unity is a bit unpolished around the edges, but I barely use it. Most of the time of a developer is spent in shells and editors (and, occasionally, a browser). All I see of it is when I have to launch something and, quite frankly, hitting the windows key and typing is much faster than menueing around.

Of course 2012 won't be the year of the Linux desktop and he nails it when he says we really don't want it. Give me power and stability. Give me power-user-friendliness, not grandma-friendliness.

Re: Ubuntu’s move to Unity is the best thing that ever happened to Linux

#13
There is no indication whatsoever that Ubuntu will be able to reach "average joe", and building a product for audience you can't reach is pretty pointless. The only audience really using Ubuntu is one consisting of coders and geeks.

There's a famous russian chinese saying: When a rhino stares at the moon - he is wasting his spleen flowers.

Re: Ubuntu’s move to Unity is the best thing that ever happened to Linux

#14

Urgh, where to start? Unity isn't going to drag any joe-average users to suddenly want Linux on their PC. It's neither consistent with what their used to nor does it create any kind of superior paradigm to what already exists. Sure you can browse the web , play music and do the odd spreadsheet etc with it , big whoop we've been doing this for years , it would have been exciting in the late 90s not now. The barrier fo…

"Unity isn't going to drag any joe-average users to suddenly want Linux on their PC."

'What comes with the PC at the store' is what joe-average is always going to use. Always. What a Linux desktop looks like and aspires to be and how well/whether it works means nothing in this context. Nothing.

Numbers-wise, people using Linux on the desktop are: geeks (an insignificant percentage of PC users) and friends/parents of geeks (an insignificant percentage the former).

We're like flies buzzing around a very small pile of elephant dung (but it's really good dung); meanwhile the elephant has lumbered off, out of site.

Re: Ubuntu’s move to Unity is the best thing that ever happened to Linux

#16
There are two reasons why an average person learns computers and uses a particular OS:

* Even if it is not very intuitive, it is universally used (Windows) * Even if it is not universally used, it is intuitive (Mac OS)

Linux is currently, IMHO, in the middle. This brings up a lot of issues from an average Joe's perspective: some hardware configurations do not work perfectly (especially laptops), time spent in learning an interface cannot be applied in other environments (like office) and some tools are not intuitively named especially for a beginner (what is GIMP? Evolution?)

Just to be clear, I use Linux everyday and as an advanced user I love the freedom it offers. For the latter reason, I don't prefer Unity. Now, when a beginner uses Unity, they will approach someone like me. But since I dislike the unorthodox UI, I might be able to help her. But I am sure a fellow Unity enthusiast would be more than willing to help.

So my feelings are mixed and not as upbeat as the OP thinks.

Re: Ubuntu’s move to Unity is the best thing that ever happened to Linux

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post #10

I consider myself power user. I am developer, I have experience with Windows, Mac OS X, BSD OSes and Linuxes. I have actually tried various desktop environments and WMs (including several tiling managers, I have used awesome WM for half a year). Overall I really love experimenting with software to the very deep level. I have tried Unity and I really like it. It is simple and it does what I need. It respects my screen…

Count me in. When developing, I usually have no more than three applications opened: GVim, a terminal window and a browser. All of them are easily accessible through Super + 1..3. In addition to that, I can move them around the screen using Ctrl+Alt+Numblock. These features work extremely reliable and fit very well in my workflow.

Re: Ubuntu’s move to Unity is the best thing that ever happened to Linux

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Urgh, where to start? Unity isn't going to drag any joe-average users to suddenly want Linux on their PC. It's neither consistent with what their used to nor does it create any kind of superior paradigm to what already exists. Sure you can browse the web , play music and do the odd spreadsheet etc with it , big whoop we've been doing this for years , it would have been exciting in the late 90s not now. The barrier fo…

"Unity isn't going to drag any joe-average users to suddenly want Linux on their PC." 'What comes with the PC at the store' is what joe-average is always going to use. Always. What a Linux desktop looks like and aspires to be and how well/whether it works means nothing in this context. Nothing. Numbers-wise, people using Linux on the desktop are: geeks (an insignificant percentage of PC users) and friends/parents of…

Not totally sure, yes there is always going to be a big advantage to whatever comes with the PC. I think if there was a clear sales pitch that could be used to sell Linux desktop as an alternative to Windows there would be enough people willing it try switching to give it critical mass which would then cause OEMs to ship it with some of their computers.

Linux tends to be well used in dedicated electronics (routers, GPS , phones etc etc). We really need to think about what "Linux on the desktop" actually means. What it really seems to mean is a system where the majority of the components are released under a GNU (or similar) license , so that includes the Desktop environment etc.

Let's say for example that apple decided to rip the darwin kernel out of OS X and replace it with Linux 2.6.x but kept everything else as it was would we suddenly cry "woo it's the year of the Linux desktop" , what real quantifiable difference would it make?

It seems that in order for Linux to succeed as a mass market desktop OS it needs some company to plug big gaps (as has happened with android) at what point would the "Linux people" decide they no longer wanted to be associated with it?

Re: Ubuntu’s move to Unity is the best thing that ever happened to Linux

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post #11

> The non geek will [...] love the gloss that Unity brings to Ubuntu. I don't know. It seems common sense that "non geeks" (hear, common people) like glossy things. After all, the Miss Universe thing has some success and is pure gloss. But I think it can also be an observation bias, or the result of a self-fulfilling prophecy kind of thing. For instance, we check what people like to watch on TV, but what the people a…

I also think that he is mistaking "gloss" with "UX that won't make you want to pull your hair out".

Creating a good experience has more to do with creating some good interface metaphors that look good and work well than to just emulate known platforms like Windows and Mac.

Re: Ubuntu’s move to Unity is the best thing that ever happened to Linux

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post #15

I am a geek and I like Unity. It's like emacs of the world of UI's. The first modern GUI you don't need to use a mouse to work with it. I find it very productive.

What do you use to work with it? I didn't try it for very long but I didn't find it especially conductive to keyboard use.

Or are you referring to touchscreen usage? How many people are actually using multitouch with Ubuntu?

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