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Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by gorgoiler »

jasonlotito wrote: post #203
gorgoiler wrote: post #180

I have never resolved my conflict between a Christian love for my fellow human and being very fast to lose my temper with strangers. I wish I could swing to the former and away from the latter. I feel it is rooted in a spidey-sense for detecting when people around me lack humility or competence. I am completely useless at so many things, I am self aware of this, and while I want to get better I am realistic about it…

> I feel it is rooted in a spidey-sense for detecting when people around me lack humility or competence The irony of always being the person you would lose your temper at. > I am realistic about it never being likely to happen That's not realistic. You can change that. It takes effort. Unless you mean you are realistic that you will never put in the honest effort to change that. Edit: This sounds harsh, but I'm being…

Thank you for the thoughtful reply.

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by gioka »

gorgoiler wrote: post #261
jasonlotito wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I feel it is rooted in a spidey-sense for detecting when people around me lack humility or competence The irony of always being the person you would lose your temper at. > I am realistic about it never being likely to happen That's not realistic. You can change that. It takes effort. Unless you mean you are realistic that you will never put in the honest effort to change that. Edit: This sounds harsh, but I'm being…

Thank you for the thoughtful reply.

gorgoiller, I was passing for a similar situation and I overcame the obstacle. On the beginning, I was hopeless. My advice is talking to people that lived what you are living now, they can give you ways to overcome this situation.

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by quitit »

notacoward wrote: post #200
quitit wrote: post #172

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The problem here is that I’ve brought up a scenario: people who frame Jobs as 100% one way or another (just like some people frame Apple as one way or another.) So what do you do? Frame him as one way - in this case in a bad light. Exactly as I stated some people do. And what? You’re upset that I don’t value your opinion on the matter because you can’t process inconvenient shades of grey. Sure quote Lisa, I could com…

> because different people have had different experiences with him This is true, but also highlights an important asymmetry. Somebody who is an asshole only to some people is really an asshole all the time. They're just a smart asshole, aware of the need to secure others' cooperation or more generally manage others' opinion of them. By contrast, a nice person is no worse than neutral to (within epsilon of) everyone.…

I'll say it once more: I don't hold value to opinions which need to place people/things into these absurd good/bad columns. It's naive, especially when one can trivially find opposing examples.

So do what works for you though, I really don't care - that's my point. I care about people who can hold a nuanced view, they're the ones who are going to inform me without some adopted bias coming into play. Deliberately filtering the available information to create a convenient strawman is cherrypicking.

Being able to have a backbone and say a person did good and bad things and articulate clearly what those things are takes courage. Especially when the bandwagon has decided on one way or another.

In this case we're talking about Steve Jobs, so I'll also restate it: People who act like this man was god's gift are similarly holding a view I don't value. I actually said that in my original comment, so you can clearly see my view here. Whether you're choosing to make him out to be all good, or all bad is creating a false image, a lie.

Now perhaps you might be asking? What's so bad about a little lie, why shouldn't a person just round off these people into good or bad boxes and call it a day, isn't that easier.

No, because such behaviours are a slippery slope. Perhaps your own personal life is what someone else would classify as deeply and morally wrong. Then perhaps you'd be the one to hope that others don't throw you into the trash based on the one-line assessment of a stranger.

Re: Steve Jobs emails himself (2010)

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Post by quitit »

junon wrote: post #239
quitit wrote: post #178

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I see you write this a lot. You also spend a lot of time throwing stones from your glasshouse. Change comes from within.

I've said it exactly twice over the entire lifetime of my account. Try harder.

You'll get precisely the amount of effort hypocrisy deserves, which is zero.
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