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If you are using passwords that you can remember without your phone then I assume it's pretty basic and insecure.
Presenting this as a choice between using Apple's closed solution or using easy-to-remember passwords is disingenuous. Please don't participate in the discussion if you're going to be this bad faith.
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#92I feel we're powerless to stop this, since it's an extremely easy sell to normal users. The average iPhone user wouldn't think once, let alone twice, about clicking OK on that shiny new doodad-app, and that's all the critical mass they need. Even if they _were_ to think twice, what are the feasible alternatives? A password manager where you generate passwords for each account? Sure, I do that, you probably do that, b…
> Am I freaking out unnecessarily? Is my reasoning flawed? Yes, very much so. I don't know about Apple's thing specifically, but WebAuthn is decentralized and open. Basically how it works is that you have a private key and use that to log in to a site, no other servers or anything else required. I don't know what Apple's implementation specifically has changed, but if it's based on WebAuthn, it can't be much. Overall…
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> Am I freaking out unnecessarily? Is my reasoning flawed? Yes, very much so. I don't know about Apple's thing specifically, but WebAuthn is decentralized and open. Basically how it works is that you have a private key and use that to log in to a site, no other servers or anything else required. I don't know what Apple's implementation specifically has changed, but if it's based on WebAuthn, it can't be much. Overall…
Isn't it the case that this key is stored in your Keychain though? Keychain data lives on Apple's servers, no?
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It's based on Webauthn and other FIDO standards. Private keys can't be exported (because it would defeat some of the features of a "secure enclave"), but other keys can be added to keychains. You should be able to migrate between devices/device-types across the Webauthn and FIDO standards. It's still early days that some of that isn't easy or "complete" yet, but the standards are being built and Apple and Google and…
I am not sure I understand the nuance between exporting a key and migrating the key between devices. Surely if you can do one you can do the other (at least technically/in term of security).
To my knowledge Keybase's breakdowns of how their keychain worked, including subkey escrow and key exchanges are still some of the easiest to read on the subject of how the math works, though I don't think Keybase's "standards" entirely resemble some of the details of the final standards from FIDO, but again I also don't know enough of the specifics of FIDO's standards as I'd like.
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#95Passkeys are designed to take away further control from you and that is why BigTech are promoting it. Do you really want to tie your digital life to a device?
> Do you really want to tie your digital life to a device? Already true for many people. There will be passwordless alternatives given that BitWarden is investing in the tech[1] . [1] https://bitwarden.com/blog/accelerating-value-for-bitwarden-...
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#96I feel we're powerless to stop this, since it's an extremely easy sell to normal users. The average iPhone user wouldn't think once, let alone twice, about clicking OK on that shiny new doodad-app, and that's all the critical mass they need. Even if they _were_ to think twice, what are the feasible alternatives? A password manager where you generate passwords for each account? Sure, I do that, you probably do that, b…
But between introduction of this feature anf it becoming Cross-Platform, years will go by...
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Isn't it the case that this key is stored in your Keychain though? Keychain data lives on Apple's servers, no?
I'm not sure where this specific key is (in Apple's implementation), but WebAuthn doesn't care where the key lives. Mine is in a Yubikey, I think/hope that will work, if the implementation is "plain" WebAuthn.
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I'm not sure where this specific key is (in Apple's implementation), but WebAuthn doesn't care where the key lives. Mine is in a Yubikey, I think/hope that will work, if the implementation is "plain" WebAuthn.
I'm not sure either, but going on how Apple implementations that I _do_ know about, I'm going to go out on a limb and say it won't be something you can directly control, like a Yubikey.