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Re: Visual effects for the Indian blockbuster “RRR”

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Post by bergenty » Sat, Sep 10, 2022, 9:36 PM UTC

dagmx wrote: post #150

unmole wrote: post #146

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> Bose was allied with the Nazi’s A marriage of convenience like when Gandhi allied with the Ali Brothers. > there were notable omissions of freedom fighters who preached peace Three of them where Gandhians but OK. > but more importantly, those who were against the division of Pakistan and India. Nobody in the Congress wanted partion to begin with. But there was no leader against it when it became clear that it was a…

Your entire comment is a “so what?” You don’t think it’s suspect that major figures were excluded from the list? And they just happen to be the same major figures the right wing governments try and move away from. You don’t think being allied with the Nazis and never denouncing their views was an issue either? the movie had a clear political agenda to it.

Who did they exclude from the list? I counted almost everyone I can think of and more.

Re: Visual effects for the Indian blockbuster “RRR”

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Post by random314 » Sat, Sep 10, 2022, 9:38 PM UTC

unmole wrote: post #174

random314 wrote: post #170

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That Ram can map to Alluri, but the mapping to Lord Rama is absolutely loud and vociferous. I could be mistaken about the mapping of Bheem, but given that Komaram Bheem is also lower caste, my meta point stands virtually unchanged. And that's just one point amongst the 10 I have made with references. Moreover, it is very easy for me to see that you are upper caste hindu - about 40% of indias population. You should as…

> That Ram can map to Alluri, but the mapping to Lord Rama is absolutely loud and vociferous. Any elements that you might perceive as mapping to Rama is an homage to the 1974 classic movie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alluri_Sitarama_Raju That representation is what is etched into the minds of Telugu audience. > I could be mistaken about the mapping of Bheem You are mistaken. > And that's just one point amongst the…

The mapping to divine Lord Rama is unmistakable, and the Godliness bestowed leaves no room for doubt. The iconography of lower caste Bheem showing fealty to lord rama is how the movie ends.

The facts I mentioned are well cited and referenced facts that are well supported. Thanks for acknowledging that you offer no contradiction.

It is also obvious from your play with words - "half minority" that you are upper caste. Eg, Hindu Jain marriages are common.

> I'm fascinated to know how you came to that conclusion.

Lower castes - SC/ST would be irritated by the supplication by Bheem in the end. Non Hindus would find the conversion of a secular independence movement to a hindu religious paen and the exclusion of secular liberal leaders (the father of the nation and first PM) offensive.

This is a typical UC thinking. The only things that are offensive are those that offend me. If someone else gets offended by something else, there is something wrong with them.

Re: Visual effects for the Indian blockbuster “RRR”

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Post by bergenty » Sat, Sep 10, 2022, 9:40 PM UTC

krama wrote: post #69

tandr wrote: post #48

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What would you recommend to watch instead?

Given the number of movies made and regions, and decades, I’d run out of breath. But I’d start here. Malayalam Films : Known for their subtlety and craft in film making, and obsession with crime novels. Dhrishyam part 1 & 2 are like no movies I’ve seen in Hollywood. Hindi Films: Or Bollywood movies, known for their big stars, great attention to set pieces of grand dance sequence s and decent romantic comedies / sport…

Malayalam films really are something else. For everyone else that isn’t Indian, the trope is Bollywood copies Malayalam films (who are known to have fantastic character development and original stories) and makes them over the top ridiculous, campy and throws in sappy love songs with a bigger budget. It’s kind of like the book was better than the movie argument.

Re: Visual effects for the Indian blockbuster “RRR”

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Post by dereg » Sat, Sep 10, 2022, 9:47 PM UTC

firasd wrote: post #60

krama wrote: post #46

Who cares if they used Blender or Maya. As an Indian (and a South Indian at that), I must say I’m embarrassed at the level of attention this movie is getting for its over the top use of cringey special effects. There are so many other worthwhile Indian films to watch and enjoy.

Yeah I have some mixed feelings. It's good that an Indian movie is breaking over to such significant consciousness in the US but a lot of the interest is like gawking. Like: 'OMG a tiger is jumping out of a truck with the hero, I'm laughing' So as an Indian I feel like this shouldn't be generalized as the 'image' in people's minds of what an Indian movie is. The over the top parts should be considered as a genre of i…

Don’t worry, I don’t think Americans started thinking that, in movies, all Chinese people should fly after watching Crouching Tiger and Hidden Dragon.

Re: Visual effects for the Indian blockbuster “RRR”

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Post by majormajor » Sat, Sep 10, 2022, 9:53 PM UTC

echelon wrote: post #175

bozhark wrote: post #158

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Americans are paid a higher wage. Dollar goes further with exchanges

> Americans are paid a higher wage. For now. The rest of the world is rapidly catching up in pretty much every sphere. But take movies: America has but a paltry 330 M people. The appetite for "American" media will wane as India, China, and other vastly more populous Asian countries begin to produce Hollywood-caliber films. American box office increasingly relies on non-domestic consumption. Chinese films are doing bi…

> The age of the "American" film has already peaked. (It's not just the market growing up. Kids today no longer want to be Hollywood stars - they want to be famous on YouTube, TikTok, and Twitch.)

Currently a big next step for TikTok stars is moving into Hollywood stuff - Addison Rae, the D'Amelios - just like it was for the Kardashians a couple decades ago.

Even as you talk about American films doing less at the box office, Hollywood itself is rapidly adapting to produce more content for serialized US-market TV (primarily streaming, but this actually started in the cable era).

Many people argue that this stuff is actually better than the "blockbuster films" that are still trying to have global appeal, because of the ability to make more niche content of varying sorts.

It's hard to see Hollywood or a domestic US media market fed by US productions going anywhere. Thinking that the average US media consumption will turn into non-American stuff is the same fallacy as thinking that everywhere else in the world would have just consumed American stuff forever instead of creating their own local markets.

Re: Visual effects for the Indian blockbuster “RRR”

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Post by oarabbus_ » Sat, Sep 10, 2022, 9:54 PM UTC

echelon wrote: post #183

hilbertseries wrote: post #178

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> Korea is starting to sweep the Oscars, Emmy's, and Golden Globes. I don’t think Korea won a single award at the Oscars this year. They won a single golden globe and two Emmys. It’s just parasite and squid game, so far. They are very far from sweeping the award ceremonies.

I was referring to Parasite , which won six Oscars, including the coveted Best Picture and Best Director nods. That was two years ago, but it speaks to the new high water mark Korea is now hitting at.

>The age of the "American" film has already peaked.

>edit for downvotes: Do not confuse this post for anti-American sentiment. It's an honest current and forward-looking assessment.

I don't think it's "anti-American sentiment" as much as unsubstantiated claims.

Parasite was an excellent film I thought deserves all its praise. But "Korea is starting to sweep the Oscars" is a very different statement than "Bong Joon-ho and the Parasite team swept the 2019 Oscars".

What you're claiming is that American cinema has peaked, and "Hollywood is going to be washed out". A more reasonable statement is "The age of exclusively USA/Hollywood filmmaking awards is over".

Re: Visual effects for the Indian blockbuster “RRR”

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Post by random314 » Sat, Sep 10, 2022, 9:55 PM UTC

dagmx wrote: post #144

random314 wrote: post #129

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+1 on that. I only watched the action sequences in the movie as RRR is not the kind if movie I enjoy. But the end of the movie, makes it quite clear that it is a nod to right wing Hindu nationalism. The most pointed example is the exclusion, in the end credits, of the 2 biggest icons of Indian liberation - Mahatma Gandhi and the first prime minister Nehru( the British locked him up for over a decade) who were secular…

Thank you for adding to the list of subtleties that foreigners wouldn’t pick up on. These are great points and I’m very appreciative you took the time to list them My wife isn’t Indian and she really enjoyed the film (which I did too as an action film) but I was aware the whole time of significant choices used to push the Hindu nationalist messaging. So I’ve been using it as an example of explaining the political cli…

Caste discrimination doesn't get as much air, but here is what urban casteism look like

https://youtu.be/x_9326pheho

For rural caste discrimination there are enough incidents like Hathras rape, but this movie gives a good perspective

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fandry

Re: Visual effects for the Indian blockbuster “RRR”

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Post by dereg » Sat, Sep 10, 2022, 9:58 PM UTC

paisawalla wrote: post #172

dsign wrote: post #61

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> Indian action films typically don't strive for believable action scenes, like American films do. I'm taking your "believable American action scenes" with a big semi full of salt.

Hah point taken, let me put it a different way. In American films, if someone does extreme, superhuman stunts, the filmmaker typically feels pressure to explain that the character is actually superhuman in some way and not an ordinary guy with an office job. And he or she will be in peak physical shape. In Indian film, an utterly ordinary character in "office job" physical condition will catch bullets, run faster tha…

> No pressure to explain the seeming contradiction with ordinary reality

this is a feature and not a bug. The urge for excessive exposition is so tiring. Not everything needs an origins story, explanation, or a prequel. Hollywood has been leaning on that formula and you can see it in the product - the movies have become tiresome.

Nobody needs an explanation for their “powers”. Excessively qualifying a character more likely burdens then than lifts them. RRR was such a refreshing, thrilling watch parallel to Mad Max: Fury Road.

Re: Visual effects for the Indian blockbuster “RRR”

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Post by cuteboy19 » Sat, Sep 10, 2022, 10:01 PM UTC

dagmx wrote: post #70

unmole wrote: post #52

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> The end credit scene is the only part that I’d consider problematic from a messaging standpoint as it takes a hard line on who they celebrate and isn’t subtle about the directors political allegiances. I don't actually remember the end credit scene and I didn't pick up on any contemporary political references. Could you elaborate?

I updated my post with links for reading but it’s essentially subtle but insidious. There’s a movement among the right to downplay the more equitable and peace friendly freedom fighters in favour of more radical ones, including ones with ties to the Axis powers. Again, it barely takes away from the film since it’s just the final credits but it’s quite a clear signal of the directors outspoken political views

From their perspective the Axis powers were not that much worse than the British

Re: Visual effects for the Indian blockbuster “RRR”

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Post by kshacker » Sat, Sep 10, 2022, 10:18 PM UTC

mikymoothrowa wrote: post #118

pvsukale3 wrote: post #43

Unrelated: If you enjoyed RRR and it's over the top drama, action sequences you might also like following movies. 1) Bahubali 1 & 2 (same director) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G62HrubdD6o 2) KGF chapter 1 and 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qah9sSIXJqk

I second Bahubali but please do not waste your time watching KGF. It’s just a series of hype scenes made for tik tok recreation. Not a movie. Has great music though

I agree. This is how I describe KGF

Part 1 has shot / camera angle changing every 2 seconds, like an American music video (movie is not musical just talking about the video)

Part 2 is more traditional with the camera angle / shot changing every 4 seconds.

And then there is some story to fill these few thousand camera shots, but your head hurts so much from the very changing screen visuals … maybe it is my age :)