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iPhone 14 Pro comes with dual-frequency GPS

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Re: iPhone 14 Pro comes with dual-frequency GPS

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Crowd-sourced list of Android phones that support dual-frequency GPS: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jXtRCoEnnFNWj6_oFlVW...

Considered that I follow hardware development fairly closely, I didn't even know this was not a thing on iPhone. And now Apple is making a big deal about it.

Could anyone shares any thoughts as to why Apple only include it now? And not earlier?

Re: iPhone 14 Pro comes with dual-frequency GPS

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post #23

Crowd-sourced list of Android phones that support dual-frequency GPS: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jXtRCoEnnFNWj6_oFlVW...

Semi-related: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GPS_device_reviews#Summa...

Though the table could use an update, I've tried to add new devices I got my hands on because (conversely) I'd like to know the accuracy of a device before buying it with mapping in mind.

What I found interesting is that

> As of 2021, some recent smartphones claim to support Galileo but in fact do not work with it. This includes the Fairphone 3 and 3+; Motorola Moto G Power and Moto G30. On the other hand, the Xiaomi Mi A2 Lite does not claim Galileo support (including on the manufacturer's own page), yet it works. The Samsung S10e is also confirmed to work.

The spec sheet doesn't always match reality unfortunately (or, for Xiaomi, fortunately!).

Re: iPhone 14 Pro comes with dual-frequency GPS

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Support for Galileo and Glonass was touted maybe a decade ago, but there was never any massive improvement in accuracy. Same story? Even worse, Apple Maps still freezes after I leave a tunnel - I’ve been through at least 3 different models in the meantime.

I for one absolutely recall "classic" GNSS based purely on GPS. The combination of only having GPS, early slow hardware with only cold starts, young software implementations, made for quite a ropey experience. I think my first proper experience was a PCMCIA GPS card in an HP IPaq running TomTom 2, or possibly some Garmin version. Revolutionary at the time, and brilliant on long journeys, but compared to today it was…

But there was another big important to positioning: Incorporating other signals (cell & WiFi). There's a huge difference on the same Android device with and without Google services (which do the aforementioned job).

Re: iPhone 14 Pro comes with dual-frequency GPS

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post #101
post #23

Crowd-sourced list of Android phones that support dual-frequency GPS: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jXtRCoEnnFNWj6_oFlVW...

Considered that I follow hardware development fairly closely, I didn't even know this was not a thing on iPhone. And now Apple is making a big deal about it. Could anyone shares any thoughts as to why Apple only include it now? And not earlier?

it's on iPhone now. before, if you wanted this, you'd have to make do with an android

Re: iPhone 14 Pro comes with dual-frequency GPS

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Article about what dual-frequency GPS is: https://www.zdnet.com/article/what-is-l5-precision-dual-freq... It says that GPS has added a new band (L5) that works better indoors. Combining it with traditional L1 gives better results. L5 is not fully deployed.

My Google Pixel 6 can already do this. I can see L5 and L1 GPS satellites at the same time right now. I can also see a lot of other systems ones.

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Re: iPhone 14 Pro comes with dual-frequency GPS

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For Android users, there's an interesting article about dual-frequency GPS at https://barbeau.medium.com/dual-frequency-gnss-on-android-de... (source: https://github.com/barbeau/gpstest/blob/master/FAQ.md#does-g... ).

So my 2 year old Android device already had a feature that was only now implemented by Apple in their top of the line products. Neat. Does anyone have personal experience of how dual-frequency improves GPS? As I'm not really using GPS a lot, I'm not sure I noticed a difference from my previous devices (I live in EU, so also no high rise skyscrapers here)

my 1999 honda civic has a feature that my Porsche 911 doesn't have. doesn't mean my Porsche 911 is a worse car

Re: iPhone 14 Pro comes with dual-frequency GPS

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So my 2 year old Android device already had a feature that was only now implemented by Apple in their top of the line products. Neat. Does anyone have personal experience of how dual-frequency improves GPS? As I'm not really using GPS a lot, I'm not sure I noticed a difference from my previous devices (I live in EU, so also no high rise skyscrapers here)

Android has copy and paste before iOS but you wouldn’t want to brag about it just because. It didn’t work well at all till iOS came out with their implementation

yep, everytime Apple makes a feature actually useable, all the android people come out furious.

my guess is android people also use windows, and are used to constant blue screens, malware, and random crashes.

Re: iPhone 14 Pro comes with dual-frequency GPS

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post #101
post #23

Crowd-sourced list of Android phones that support dual-frequency GPS: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jXtRCoEnnFNWj6_oFlVW...

Considered that I follow hardware development fairly closely, I didn't even know this was not a thing on iPhone. And now Apple is making a big deal about it. Could anyone shares any thoughts as to why Apple only include it now? And not earlier?

Including it on a spec sheet qualifies as making a big deal about it?
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