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Bank tells customers to disable updates and not upgrade to iOS 16

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Re: Bank tells customers to disable updates and not upgrade to iOS 16

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notinfuriated wrote: post #146
andy_ppp wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole of British society is structured this way. Constantly blaming poor people when a good proportion of rich people are rent seeking and/or not doing the most basic things to help their customers.

How is this bank blaming poor people by asking its rich customers not to upgrade to iOS 16? I'm struggling to understand where the logical jump is to, "The whole of British society is structured this way." Which way? I'm assuming you're replying specifically to the parent comments' "what rich people think about technology: make it sexy and powerful but I don't want to hear about ongoing maintenance costs," but not su…

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Re: Bank tells customers to disable updates and not upgrade to iOS 16

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Post by fnordpiglet »

jrm4 wrote: post #11

Regulation. Good, old-fashioned, regulation. There's no other meaningful way to prevent this sort of thing. Now that we're dealing with "people's money" there should be energy to push this through. (And to be clear, it's Apple that needs to be regulated.)

Apple as a vendor to highly regulated entities, including governments is regulated and is audited for compliance against a vast swath of regulatory requirements. Rapid updates is a core part of a lot of modern security regulations for banks and other sensitive entities. Note, with Apple Pay and Apple Cash and Apple Card, Apple itself is directly regulated for it’s “peoples money” business already. In what way are you thinking regulation applies to this situation? I’d posit this bank is stretching their regulatory obligation to incorporate vendor updates into their customer facing and perimeter products on a timely basis.

Re: Bank tells customers to disable updates and not upgrade to iOS 16

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Post by makach »

Their security department must be up in arms. Making sure your software is updated is a pinnacle in security - you simply do not turn of updating of your devices - I know this is a little bit simplistic but it isn't as if the BETA hasn't been available for iOS 16 for ages.

Instead of disabling your updates, you should change your bank. Don't let them get away with it.

Re: Bank tells customers to disable updates and not upgrade to iOS 16

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Post by bookofjoe »

Victerius wrote: post #86
jl6 wrote: post #60

What I find really amazing is that we have here an incredibly elite service that the vast majority of people will never be able to afford, and yet its elite clients are dependent on essentially the same mobile devices that everyone else is. You can spend ~$2k on a phone, and it will be the best phone you can buy. There's no $20k phone that will be any better. It's like flying in first class and then having to queue u…

There is an exclusive version of HN, but I can't tell you about it. Entrance fee is $50k.

HN Prime. Or is it HN+?

Re: Bank tells customers to disable updates and not upgrade to iOS 16

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Post by SilasX »

CharlesW wrote: post #156
SilasX wrote: post #134

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Interesting how you don’t frame it as “Apple can’t be bothered to maintain APIs and avoidably forces everyone to rewrite everything to save them the effort”.

It’s not framed that way because that’s not what’s happening here.

Loss of OS API compatibility isn't a reason that app developers have to keep "maintaining" their apps?

>>>This is one of the most exclusive banks in the world ... and they can't even be bothered to keep their mobile app up to date.

Re: Bank tells customers to disable updates and not upgrade to iOS 16

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Post by jen20 »

droopyEyelids wrote: post #151
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #68

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> Apple breaks existing apps. They have a pretty long beta program (source: Apple dev., since 1986). If your app doesn't work with the upcoming release, it's not Apple's fault. Some companies will refuse to start testing, until the OS is officially released. That's a corporate process problem, and not Apple's. I'm not an Apple apologist, though I am often accused of being so (because I develop Apple apps, that is eno…

I work at a big 2nd-tier tech company and corporate security policies prohibit beta versions of OSes. Our ios and android apps are a huge part of our business yet the only way for devs to work on updates is to subvert corp security like figure out how to proxy client certs or bridge the corp network from their laptop to their personal equipment. Its a huge fight every year that never gets resolved

That sounds like a problem with your corporate policies.

Re: Bank tells customers to disable updates and not upgrade to iOS 16

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Post by CharlesW »

nindalf wrote: post #81
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple breaks existing apps. They have a pretty long beta program (source: Apple dev., since 1986). If your app doesn't work with the upcoming release, it's not Apple's fault. Some companies will refuse to start testing, until the OS is officially released. That's a corporate process problem, and not Apple's. I'm not an Apple apologist, though I am often accused of being so (because I develop Apple apps, that is eno…

You’re saying it’s their fault for not testing their app on a pre-release OS that breaks the app. The people you’re replying to say that an OS shouldn’t break an app unless it’s absolutely unavoidable.

> You’re saying it’s their fault for not testing their app on a pre-release OS that breaks the app.

The notice doesn’t say that iOS 16 breaks the app. It’s extremely unlikely that it does, unless they’re using private APIs (bad), or they’ve hardcoded an “iOS 15 or lower” version check (bad).

What the notice does say is “we couldn’t be bothered to test the app with iOS 16, even though it’s been available to developers for months”.

Re: Bank tells customers to disable updates and not upgrade to iOS 16

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Post by kitsunesoba »

TheCoelacanth wrote: post #149
Gigachad wrote: post #112

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Apple releases an update once a year and they give several months of betas where app devs can test and prepare. That’s more than enough for supported apps.

Still pretty embarrassing when Microsoft maintains backwards compatibility for decades.

That backwards compatibility has also infamously been a ball and chain on Windows development. It doesn’t come without tradeoffs.

Re: Bank tells customers to disable updates and not upgrade to iOS 16

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Post by scarface74 »

kennend3 wrote: post #131
scarface74 wrote: post #100

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Yes and Microsoft has constantly paid the cost by not being able to move as fast and having security issues because of some long forgotten piece of legacy code. Apple was able to have basically the same core OS run on phones, tablets, watches, set top boxes and monitors (yes the latest Apple display runs a version of iOS on an iPhone 11 era chip with 64GB RAM). Back as early as 2005 there were more than half a dozen…

Speaking of security.. tell us, what is involved in "jailbreaking" an iphone? you take some action, and get "root" access to the OS which allows things like bypassing the anti-theft mechanism? Do you remember the days when all you had to do was go to a website and now your iphone was "rooted" Microsoft should have done more to limit "backwards compatibility" as it has stung them over and over again. Apple has a tende…

I never said that Apple didn’t have any security issues. But by definition if you have a smaller attack area, you have less chances of security vulnerabilities. You don’t have to worry about an old forgotten part of the code that was just there to support 32 big apps from iOS 1 have lingering bugs.

Re: Bank tells customers to disable updates and not upgrade to iOS 16

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Post by msh »

jl6 wrote: post #60

What I find really amazing is that we have here an incredibly elite service that the vast majority of people will never be able to afford, and yet its elite clients are dependent on essentially the same mobile devices that everyone else is. You can spend ~$2k on a phone, and it will be the best phone you can buy. There's no $20k phone that will be any better. It's like flying in first class and then having to queue u…

I completely agree, but people still try to create the premium phone. It used to be vertu before they went bankrupt and now sells strange phones.

These days guess it's more rebadget iphones like the ones sold by caviar.

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