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Re: Widespread misperceptions of long-term attitude change

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Post by Eddy_Viscosity2 » Sat, Sep 10, 2022, 1:53 PM UTC

imgabe wrote: post #106

somenameforme wrote: post #84

There is a severe demographic problem with this study (among others). A current trend in the social sciences is using Amazon Mechanical Turk and Prolific to run surveys. These sites are based around paying people pennies to compete menial tasks (like complete surveys), and populated with large numbers of "professional" menial task executers. This study offered the big bucks of $1.50 - $2.25. There are two major probl…

I wonder if you could get good survey data by disguising it as a Buzzfeed quiz on Facebook. Just make the title something like "Which Kardashian are you?", then ask whatever questions you want and randomly select a Kardashian at the end.

You'd still get only a sub-niche of the population, just a different one -- the one that fills out nonsense quizes on facebook.

Re: Widespread misperceptions of long-term attitude change

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Post by michaelmrose » Sat, Sep 10, 2022, 6:58 PM UTC

mistermann wrote: post #148

michaelmrose wrote: post #127

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Relevant: https://slatestarcodex.com/2020/05/28/bush-did-north-dakota/

This is interesting but young earth creationism isn't a default answer to any question its a very specific deeply held belief highly correlated with a low IQ and inability to engage in complex thinking.

Re: Widespread misperceptions of long-term attitude change

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Post by mistermann » Sun, Sep 11, 2022, 6:03 PM UTC

michaelmrose wrote: post #202

mistermann wrote: post #148

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Relevant: https://slatestarcodex.com/2020/05/28/bush-did-north-dakota/

This is interesting but young earth creationism isn't a default answer to any question its a very specific deeply held belief highly correlated with a low IQ and inability to engage in complex thinking.

Engaging in complex thinking while keeping one's imagination in check is indeed difficult.

Re: Widespread misperceptions of long-term attitude change

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Post by TrapLord_Rhodo » Sun, Sep 11, 2022, 7:57 PM UTC

ForHackernews wrote: post #110

raspberry1337 wrote: post #101

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Enlighten me, what does it mean that truth and knowledge are anonymous automata?

It sounds to me like a variant on the idea of a "meme" (in its original sense): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme Consider that ideas (even facts!) might be like mind-viruses: you could imagine they propagate themselves in human minds, but are not actually produced by those minds. What if human minds are just the substrate?

There is no anti-memetics division!

interesting book on memes.

Re: Widespread misperceptions of long-term attitude change

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Post by int_19h » Mon, Sep 12, 2022, 2:46 PM UTC

bruce511 wrote: post #61

lettergram wrote: post #47

I think this is a product of mass social media and mass media. Effectively, we amplify propaganda one way or another. It leads to false impressions and we are unable to make decisions based off real information. This survey (which imo is not very robust) simply highlights the fact we are uninformed as a population. This is a failure primarily of our news media (the big 5) and education. Easy example, we believe mass…

Our ability to understand risk is imperfect, and certaintainly divorced from actual risk numbers. While perceptions based on media are surely a factor, its also based on our control over the risk. Lots of people die in car accidents (presumably because they are bad drivers) but I am a good driver, therefore the risk for me is much lower or zero. I am in control therefore my perception of risk is reduced. What risk th…

Note that the vast majority of child gun deaths are not from mass shootings. One third are intentional suicides. Most of the rest is kids accidentally shooting themselves or each other with guns that they gain access to.

(While we're at it, and in the vein of the article, gun-owning parents tend to drastically overestimate how well-behaved their kids are around guns, and thus allow them more access than is safe.)

Re: Widespread misperceptions of long-term attitude change

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Post by dillondoyle » Tue, Sep 13, 2022, 4:05 AM UTC

mrguyorama wrote: post #183

dillondoyle wrote: post #69

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It's funny how 15 years ago, if we asked for this study, the perception of which party that description belongs to would likely be flipped. Well not funny. More sad and terrifying.

No I don't think it would. Republicans always say they are for law and order and democrats aren't. Democrats usually say that they are for some form of light reform to prisons or justice, but often vote for more aggressive policies to not be called "lawless" or some nonesense. The difference is, republicans have always been lying about being the party of law and order. Whether through Nixon, or Iran-Contra, or everyt…

Spot on in terms of the whole ethos of the modern Republican: it's me me me. No capacity for empathy.

No government hand outs. Unless it's fossil fuel subsidies for Mr. Koch.

Socialized medicine is evil. Unless my company is stealing hundreds of millions from our government/medicare (and then I became a US Senator)

Abortion is bad. Except in my instance, but it's ok because I'm not one of those girls. Or my life is in danger!

Copy pasta from Reddit, but it rings true more often than not: any accusation is an admission.

Literally just read an op-ed from conservative crying about Democrats banning books... Seriously

Re: Widespread misperceptions of long-term attitude change

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Post by qikInNdOutReply » Tue, Sep 13, 2022, 8:13 AM UTC

verteu wrote: post #170

danuker wrote: post #122

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What is FGN?

I think it's "Facebook/Google/Netflix."

NSA.

Assume you have the conversation of billions. Its pretty easy to design "Virtual experiments", that just play out or have played out as life plays out.

Select from Everyone

//Filter the Environment with constraint to avoid polution

where(Person.isAlcoholic and Person.Age.inRange(12,49))

//Define experimental condition

experimentOutcome(State.Change(Person.isAlcoholic) upon Person.Graph.Depth(1).Death)

Gets you all acoholics quitting after death of a nearby relative.

That way, you get almost pure data and archieve what neuro sciences and psychology could never dream off. To really know people better then they even ever knew themselves.

So sad, as this is "steering" technology, we will never get to see it. We do not even get to contemplate its existence.

Re: Widespread misperceptions of long-term attitude change

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Post by jesuscript » Wed, Sep 21, 2022, 3:59 PM UTC

Bakary wrote: post #147

jesuscript wrote: post #94

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It would hurt historians feelings to know that they are essentially just, what we call today, “hot takes” on history. It’s often well written and credentialed (appeal to authority), but ultimately it’s just one dude’s hot take on events. For example, many people in America have a hot-take about what life is like in China. How? We heard it from somewhere, never lived a day there. Can’t be that simple right? You say yo…

You can say the Earth is shaped like a cube, or like a sphere. Both are hot takes because it is in fact shaped like something we circularily (no pun intended) called a geoid. Yet wouldn't you be more interested in listening to the "sphere" guy?

It’s complicated. We’re so sensory overloaded that I might wanna hear just how far the flat earth guy can take it.

Tall tales are a guilty pleasure for many. Clinically we call this conspiratorial thinking (or really clinically, paranoid schizophrenia?).

Some people really indulge in their campfire ghost stories. I would be interested in the “Lincoln actually loved slavery” lol, just want to see how far some asshole can take an idea.