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Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by ekianjo »

djaychela wrote: post #42

I produce Music Tech-based educational content on YT. It started as a hobby and sideline to my main work (which at the time was classroom teaching of the same content). While I'm no longer working in classrooms (pandemic plus other reasons led to this), I'm still producing content, which I think is of good quality and worthwhile. The issue I have with it is that I refuse to produce attention-grabbing clickbaity title…

> refuse to produce attention-grabbing clickbaity titles or thumbnails.

not just that but the ones shown in this post are absolutely cringe. makes for zero credibility when it comes to education.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by ekianjo »

charcircuit wrote: post #54
djaychela wrote: post #42

I produce Music Tech-based educational content on YT. It started as a hobby and sideline to my main work (which at the time was classroom teaching of the same content). While I'm no longer working in classrooms (pandemic plus other reasons led to this), I'm still producing content, which I think is of good quality and worthwhile. The issue I have with it is that I refuse to produce attention-grabbing clickbaity title…

Having good thumbnails and tiles is just marketing. If you want to sell or get the word out about what you are offering it helps to have a good marketing effort. Yes, creating the material is a lot of work, but that doesn't mean that marketing is something that doesn't need hard work.

> Having good thumbnails and tiles is just marketing

are you seriously going to pretend that optimizing for the most cringy thumbnails , because its a race to the bottom on Youtube, is marketing?

this is a ridiculous take.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by ekianjo »

derefr wrote: post #74
CobrastanJorji wrote: post #5

> Every day, people come to YouTube to learn something new. True. > shows content on commonly used education apps without distractions like ads, external links or recommendations External links seem important on educational files, and I kind of like recommendations when I'm browsing educational stuff, but whoo, no ads on educational stuff? That's great! > Next year, qualified creators can begin offering free or paid…

The alternative isn’t these creators giving their content away; the alternative is these creators using one of the dozens of paid-video-course hosting platforms that have sprung up. This isn’t going to put a paywall in front of any content that didn’t already have a paywall in front of it.

Laughable. If you have some following on youtube you are not giving away your content you get ads and sponsorship money from it. They are already getting paid for it and the proof is that there are a growing amount of full time streamers or content producers.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by mym1990 »

allenbrunson wrote: post #198
mym1990 wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Totally see where you are coming from, and as a consumer I try to avoid any video that smells like clickbait. There are many channels that do have great content and accurate captions/thumbnails. From what I’ve seen, having high quality, consistent content over a prolonged period of time is a pretty sure way to grow.

> Totally see where you are coming from, and as a consumer I try to avoid any video that smells like clickbait. same. i watch a lot of youtube. i pay monthly for it, so i don't have to see ads. i've seen linus tech tips videos come up in my recommendations a time or two, and i am never going to watch them, just on principle. boy do i ever hate the mugging and pimping people like him indulge in, in an effort to bait m…

3Blue1Brown and channels of the like are the ones I gravitate to. Unfortunately a lot of things on YT are based on bad news and exaggerations selling better than more reasonable content

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Post by bzmrgonz »

HardlyCurious wrote: post #101
djaychela wrote: post #42

I produce Music Tech-based educational content on YT. It started as a hobby and sideline to my main work (which at the time was classroom teaching of the same content). While I'm no longer working in classrooms (pandemic plus other reasons led to this), I'm still producing content, which I think is of good quality and worthwhile. The issue I have with it is that I refuse to produce attention-grabbing clickbaity title…

There is certainly slimy YouTube tactics for attention and clicks, but not all successful YouTubers are doing slimy things. If your videos are genuinely interesting and / or useful, you need to be able to convey that fact to users, before they watch it. It isn't too much to ask. Just imagine a viewer asking you the question, "ok so why should I watch your videos over someone else's?". It is a fair question. And reply…

I just hope that the use of metadata is enforced using AI the same way copyright is being enforced. I think a better approach would be to corral/wall-off this learning content sub-platform, similar to how kidsyoutube is walled-off. I wouldn't mind typing youtube.ed or edutube.. or something else. The value of youtube would be in the big iron behind it, so the front-end can be anything, as long as it's policed to comply. Example of it not being police. I make a video and I call it "Trump's documents classification". I then use the metadata to insert words used in FBI classification and voila..

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Post by concinds »

CobrastanJorji wrote: post #5

> Every day, people come to YouTube to learn something new. True. > shows content on commonly used education apps without distractions like ads, external links or recommendations External links seem important on educational files, and I kind of like recommendations when I'm browsing educational stuff, but whoo, no ads on educational stuff? That's great! > Next year, qualified creators can begin offering free or paid…

You can expect YouTube to take a fat percentage (30%?) far beyond what alternative monetization methods like Patreon.

Good revenue stream, especially if they can get partnership deals with schools or other educational institutions. Imagine YouTube getting this sort of "guaranteed" revenue, like publishers do from textbooks, but getting schools to foot the bill instead of students; great business model.

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Post by ornornor »

Ayesh wrote: post #165
thenerdhead wrote: post #67

Maybe just me, but I'm not really excited for established YouTubers to sell more stuff and expand their empires. It's already a winner-take-all game of attention. The beauty of YouTube is finding like a retired professor who puts up their lectures on an account with a couple thousand subscribers. It is not having a click-bait worthy thumbnail, over-produced video, and barely learning anything while being mindlessly e…

I found channels with 10k-100k subscribers to be extremely high in quality and... bespoke. Just these days, I am learning a lot about OpenWRT while I wait for my router to arrive, and there was one channel with near 30k subscribers run by an amazing person, as he shares quite detailed information about routers, even the ones that are less exciting. This was such a fresh breath from Linus Tech Tips style "we upgraded…

> they don't shove merchandise and minute long sponsored contents to you.

I find YouTube unbearable without ublock origin and sponsorblock.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by oska »

LouisSayers wrote: post #84
djaychela wrote: post #42

I produce Music Tech-based educational content on YT. It started as a hobby and sideline to my main work (which at the time was classroom teaching of the same content). While I'm no longer working in classrooms (pandemic plus other reasons led to this), I'm still producing content, which I think is of good quality and worthwhile. The issue I have with it is that I refuse to produce attention-grabbing clickbaity title…

This reminds me of a saying I've heard from Dean Graziosi (sales type guy). "Sell them what they want, give them what they need". I also dislike this whole game where you have to essentially mould yourself into this "mainstream click-baity character", but part of me recognises that if your goal is to sell, then you'd be wise to spend time on presenting your content in a way that is at least initially attention grabbi…

> One way to think of it is - you owe it to your audience to save them from worse educational experiences, and the only way to save them is to try to rank higher than these other more click-baity low-value videos.

This is clear self-deception and a way for a person to start the slide down the slippery slope to abandoning their standards. You don't owe it to your audience to 'save them' (a weird, evangelical way of putting it). You might like to put better content out there and hope that people find it and value it (and take reasonable steps to promote it, in a non-scammy way) but no, you don't need to rank higher than lower quality content. Because 9 times out of 10 the highest ranking content is junk and trying to rank higher will cause your own content to descend into being junk as well.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by jp0d »

Is this the end of Udemy? Edx and Coursera have positioned themselves uniquely by offering online certificates and degrees from reputed universities. I've noticed that most of the content creators on Udemy have channels on YouTube as well. They usually offer free content to showcase their paid content on Udemy. They wouldn't have to do that anymore as they can just switch to Youtube.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by j45 »

Wow. It’s a little surreal to see YouTube build an “interactive” video learning playhead similar to ones I and others have built in our past.

It will be interesting to see how YouTube balances current incentives for long videos compared with online learning often being better delivered in many cases through short videos, known by many names (bite size videos, micro learning).

Learning videos are a lot of work to make and even more work to update, and updates are guaranteed. This provides some tools but whether it eases the workflow wha to hope will happen, it would empower a lot of subject experts.

Structured content is a great idea. Hopefully this won’t go away like the previous features for annotating and interactive in the past.

Having offline capabilities for this learning content is important if it is learning for the many and not the few.

YouTube in some ways is the worlds largest LMS already from a content perspective. We just may be heading into a post LMS world.

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