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The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by kyleee »

arjvik wrote: post #132
movedx wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a creator too. I'm small on YouTube (3,880 subs; 6.4k views and about 293 hours watched in the last 28 days), but have a (relatively speaking) large Discord with 3,800 members. I have a mailing list of about 1,600. My goal and focus is to sell, but it's to sell a big package around the idea of IT education. I want to sell to people who want the interaction and community, not just the knowledge dump. And I'm the s…

Wow, nearly 100% of your subs participate in your community? That's amazing.

that's not necessarily implied, the sets may overlap minimally

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by [deleted] »

sergiotapia wrote: post #110

Tiktok has replaced youtube for me. Shorter form video means less of a chance to sell me junk, more "in the flesh" content from real people. For example I wanted to find a specific room on a cruise ship and someone recorded it in 30 seconds on tiktok. The _specific_ room! Youtube is becoming cable TV, too many grifters and long form content for no reason other than to make a buck. On tiktok, I found great content for…

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Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by vdfs »

Animats wrote: post #124

If you're making educational content to be embedded into another site, you don't need YouTube. Because you are not using Google for video discovery. So put your video elsewhere. Vimeo, PeerTube, etc. Preferably multiple places. Relying on Google to maintain a non ad supported product is very risky. Basing a business on it is suicidal. See the infamous list of dead Google services.[1] [1] https://killedbygoogle.com/

Didn't Vimeo raise prices and asked people to pay a lot or get their videos deleted in short transition time?

I don't really know what PeerTube is, and at this point I'm afraid to ask, tried it several time and it just doesn't work, or way inferior to Youtube

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by Animats »

amadvance wrote: post #136
Animats wrote: post #124

If you're making educational content to be embedded into another site, you don't need YouTube. Because you are not using Google for video discovery. So put your video elsewhere. Vimeo, PeerTube, etc. Preferably multiple places. Relying on Google to maintain a non ad supported product is very risky. Basing a business on it is suicidal. See the infamous list of dead Google services.[1] [1] https://killedbygoogle.com/

Youtube allows unlimited videos with unlimited size and with good quality completely for free. You can also keep ads disabled if you want. No other service is even comparable.

> You can also keep ads disabled if you want.

Only for this special educational project. YouTube has been putting ads on un-monietized videos without asking the uploader for some time now.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by movedx »

arjvik wrote: post #132
movedx wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a creator too. I'm small on YouTube (3,880 subs; 6.4k views and about 293 hours watched in the last 28 days), but have a (relatively speaking) large Discord with 3,800 members. I have a mailing list of about 1,600. My goal and focus is to sell, but it's to sell a big package around the idea of IT education. I want to sell to people who want the interaction and community, not just the knowledge dump. And I'm the s…

Wow, nearly 100% of your subs participate in your community? That's amazing.

What /u/kyleee said :-)

I developed the Discord community via the channel plus other ways.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by rychco »

I’m hopeful that this will be a good thing for high-quality educational content. Udemy, as an alternative, is largely poor quality content scams that have fake reviews and outrageous prices (so that the seemingly constant “sales” encourage you to purchase). If YouTube can improve on this experience even a little bit then it’s a success in my eyes.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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HardlyCurious wrote: post #101
djaychela wrote: post #42

I produce Music Tech-based educational content on YT. It started as a hobby and sideline to my main work (which at the time was classroom teaching of the same content). While I'm no longer working in classrooms (pandemic plus other reasons led to this), I'm still producing content, which I think is of good quality and worthwhile. The issue I have with it is that I refuse to produce attention-grabbing clickbaity title…

There is certainly slimy YouTube tactics for attention and clicks, but not all successful YouTubers are doing slimy things. If your videos are genuinely interesting and / or useful, you need to be able to convey that fact to users, before they watch it. It isn't too much to ask. Just imagine a viewer asking you the question, "ok so why should I watch your videos over someone else's?". It is a fair question. And reply…

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Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by Gigachad »

rychco wrote: post #146

I’m hopeful that this will be a good thing for high-quality educational content. Udemy, as an alternative, is largely poor quality content scams that have fake reviews and outrageous prices (so that the seemingly constant “sales” encourage you to purchase). If YouTube can improve on this experience even a little bit then it’s a success in my eyes.

I have unlimited access to udemy via work and don’t even bother. The free content on YouTube is generally better.

Not sure how paid YouTube content will be better because it seems the incentive of money just draws a bunch of spam content while the good stuff is experts sharing what they love.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by supperrtadderr »

svnpenn wrote: post #18

YouTube killed learning on their platform, when they killed the downvote. They removed the one metric that people had to signal that content is crap. So now people have to trust that "the algorithm" is filtering out all the junk. Which of course we know doesn't happen. The algorithm only cares about engagement, it doesn't care if the content is of good quality or even truthful.

I now use a quick views to like ratio to see if a video is any good (usually for tutorials of things)

For instance a few weeks ago I was stuck on a quest in WoW Classic, so I did a quick YouTube search, 100k+ view video, dozens of likes.

Yeah the video sucked and didn't show anything worthwhile.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by devoutsalsa »

cillian64 wrote: post #139
LouisSayers wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This reminds me of a saying I've heard from Dean Graziosi (sales type guy). "Sell them what they want, give them what they need". I also dislike this whole game where you have to essentially mould yourself into this "mainstream click-baity character", but part of me recognises that if your goal is to sell, then you'd be wise to spend time on presenting your content in a way that is at least initially attention grabbi…

The justification some youtubers (LTT comes to mind) use for clickbait video titles/thumbnails is that they feel that so long as the content itself is good then it doesn’t matter what techniques they use to get people to watch it. Their logic is that there’s nothing wrong with lying to get someone to watch your video so long as they enjoy it once they do. To me it the race to the bottom of clickbait video titles/thum…

“Crazy HACKER reveals YouTube ENDLESS views trick”

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32785822

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