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The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

#131
I'm pessimistic on their approach to "qualified creators" and what measure or qualifications they use to determine that.

Theres no shortage of quacks, frauds, and fakers ready to "teach" you all they [don't] know on a subject, or worse: spread misinformation in the form of structured "educational" content.

Just take a look at LinkedIn these days...

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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post #97

I produce Music Tech-based educational content on YT. It started as a hobby and sideline to my main work (which at the time was classroom teaching of the same content). While I'm no longer working in classrooms (pandemic plus other reasons led to this), I'm still producing content, which I think is of good quality and worthwhile. The issue I have with it is that I refuse to produce attention-grabbing clickbaity title…

I'm a creator too. I'm small on YouTube (3,880 subs; 6.4k views and about 293 hours watched in the last 28 days), but have a (relatively speaking) large Discord with 3,800 members. I have a mailing list of about 1,600. My goal and focus is to sell, but it's to sell a big package around the idea of IT education. I want to sell to people who want the interaction and community, not just the knowledge dump. And I'm the s…

Wow, nearly 100% of your subs participate in your community? That's amazing.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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It bothers me that we still have those useless suffixes attached to domains. What does „org“, „com“, „net“ even mean to the average user? Nothing. It’s nothing but a pointless ritual at this point, and after ICANN chose to add thousands of generic domains, they don’t have any significance left at all, except that nice names are very expensive now. It would be easier for everybody if we simply removed that extra step…

I still don't know why ICANN gets to tell people what they can or cannot have as their TLD name. It's just a string, it doesn't cost anything more to compare on the DNS server if it's custom or standard.

I don't know if every ICANN restriction can be justified from first principles, but there definitely has to be some strategy to ensure nobody sets up a .(U+0585)rg TLD.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

#134

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> content that warrants more engagement is going to win What does that even mean? I'd be careful about using the language of silicon value ad companies. It changes how you think. One minute you're talking about content and community and the next thing you know you have metrics and are trying to measure engagement and are now making decisions based off something you could actually measure and not relying on your insti…

>Make it so good, your audience will want to support you. You used the same type of voice you criticized, I'm confused why you're projecting this narrative onto my comment. I'm obviously pointing out that clickbait content will get more engagement. I'm trying to make the OP ask themselves what they want... which I believe is very clear.

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Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Click bait isn't different than wearing a funny hat to engage students in class.

I disagree. A click bait, is a bait , a lure in all instances to get something different what is expected. A fish wanting the worm gets the hook, a fox wanting the meat, gets the snap trap. The clicker wanting the content promised in the title, gets something different, not what is expected. > ... wearing a funny hat ... An instructor still delivers all the details and content as expected with or without the funny ha…

If that's the definition, then the thumbnails we're talking about aren't click-bait.

The thumbnails are doing the funny hat thing.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

#136

If you're making educational content to be embedded into another site, you don't need YouTube. Because you are not using Google for video discovery. So put your video elsewhere. Vimeo, PeerTube, etc. Preferably multiple places. Relying on Google to maintain a non ad supported product is very risky. Basing a business on it is suicidal. See the infamous list of dead Google services.[1] [1] https://killedbygoogle.com/

Youtube allows unlimited videos with unlimited size and with good quality completely for free. You can also keep ads disabled if you want. No other service is even comparable.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

#137
post #74

> Every day, people come to YouTube to learn something new. True. > shows content on commonly used education apps without distractions like ads, external links or recommendations External links seem important on educational files, and I kind of like recommendations when I'm browsing educational stuff, but whoo, no ads on educational stuff? That's great! > Next year, qualified creators can begin offering free or paid…

The alternative isn’t these creators giving their content away; the alternative is these creators using one of the dozens of paid-video-course hosting platforms that have sprung up. This isn’t going to put a paywall in front of any content that didn’t already have a paywall in front of it.

On your very last point, you seem to be wrong. These commercial platforms are neither accessible for everyone, nor do they offer the sort of reach as youtube. The choice then is paid content somewhere, or ads on youtube.

By contrast, you now can chose between ads and no ads, both on youtube (and the former likely with algorithmic support).

That's a different calculus that - as it seems to me - should imply more paid content than before, contradicting your statement.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

#138
YouTube has had the content and engineering UI to beat Coursera or iTunes U since 2009. As a nerdy little kid from Bangalore, I remember _really_ learning how to write code from Mehran Sahami's programming paradigms videos from back in the day. (While we're on the subject of Mehran-appreiciate: we're all still geometers living in the times of Euclid OR we're all coders living in the times of Mehran? :)).

Couple that with benefits of YT Premium, there's a ton of engaging features they can build here that very likely make it a super sustainable product long term. I'm super excited!

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

#139

I produce Music Tech-based educational content on YT. It started as a hobby and sideline to my main work (which at the time was classroom teaching of the same content). While I'm no longer working in classrooms (pandemic plus other reasons led to this), I'm still producing content, which I think is of good quality and worthwhile. The issue I have with it is that I refuse to produce attention-grabbing clickbaity title…

This reminds me of a saying I've heard from Dean Graziosi (sales type guy). "Sell them what they want, give them what they need". I also dislike this whole game where you have to essentially mould yourself into this "mainstream click-baity character", but part of me recognises that if your goal is to sell, then you'd be wise to spend time on presenting your content in a way that is at least initially attention grabbi…

The justification some youtubers (LTT comes to mind) use for clickbait video titles/thumbnails is that they feel that so long as the content itself is good then it doesn’t matter what techniques they use to get people to watch it. Their logic is that there’s nothing wrong with lying to get someone to watch your video so long as they enjoy it once they do.

To me it the race to the bottom of clickbait video titles/thumbnails feels dishonest and harmful but it’s hard to see what to do about it other than manual curation and/or alternative platforms which don’t use recommendations to exponentially amplify click rates.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

#140

> Every day, people come to YouTube to learn something new. True. > shows content on commonly used education apps without distractions like ads, external links or recommendations External links seem important on educational files, and I kind of like recommendations when I'm browsing educational stuff, but whoo, no ads on educational stuff? That's great! > Next year, qualified creators can begin offering free or paid…

The "qualified" part is sus. But otherwise isn't being able to charge directly a good thing assuming creators remove ads and any product placement?

Probably what they meant by that is a beta by invitation only. That may lead to an open beta based on metrics and not hand picked creators, and eventually open to anyone who wants to participate. But I am just speculating.
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