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Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by moffkalast » Fri, Sep 09, 2022, 9:51 PM UTC

derefr wrote: post #74

CobrastanJorji wrote: post #5

> Every day, people come to YouTube to learn something new. True. > shows content on commonly used education apps without distractions like ads, external links or recommendations External links seem important on educational files, and I kind of like recommendations when I'm browsing educational stuff, but whoo, no ads on educational stuff? That's great! > Next year, qualified creators can begin offering free or paid…

The alternative isn’t these creators giving their content away; the alternative is these creators using one of the dozens of paid-video-course hosting platforms that have sprung up. This isn’t going to put a paywall in front of any content that didn’t already have a paywall in front of it.

Well maybe, but on the other hand this makes pay walling far more trivial and accessible, so it'll likely be even more common.

Google just wants that Nebula money.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by ytyl » Fri, Sep 09, 2022, 9:52 PM UTC

I spend hours per week learning on youtube. The strength of it is finding 10 year old obscure videos with gems that aren't covered by big content houses. I've gone hundreds of hours deep into subjects I would not have if I had to pay and sign up and quiz and be quantized. All the while taking ads in the face like a good boy. I've always worried about the day Youtube starts killing (what I think is) its best feature, and I think we are finally there.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by moffkalast » Fri, Sep 09, 2022, 9:52 PM UTC

Miraste wrote: post #95

EarlKing wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Solution proposed by viewers: Why do you think you're entitled to my attention? [ installs adblock ]

Solution proposed by Google: Force through Manifest v3, coincidentally make blocking YouTube ads impossible

Solution proposed by viewers: Firefox is now the definitive Youtube viewing platform.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by swatcoder » Fri, Sep 09, 2022, 9:53 PM UTC

LouisSayers wrote: post #84

djaychela wrote: post #42

I produce Music Tech-based educational content on YT. It started as a hobby and sideline to my main work (which at the time was classroom teaching of the same content). While I'm no longer working in classrooms (pandemic plus other reasons led to this), I'm still producing content, which I think is of good quality and worthwhile. The issue I have with it is that I refuse to produce attention-grabbing clickbaity title…

This reminds me of a saying I've heard from Dean Graziosi (sales type guy). "Sell them what they want, give them what they need". I also dislike this whole game where you have to essentially mould yourself into this "mainstream click-baity character", but part of me recognises that if your goal is to sell, then you'd be wise to spend time on presenting your content in a way that is at least initially attention grabbi…

> if your goal is to sell, then you'd be wise to spend time on presenting your content in a way that is at least initially attention grabbing

Or you bet against fads and hope that your consistent brand will develop an increasingly loyal and appreciative following over the long term.

You could lose that bet, but sometimes cashing in on today’s hot trends means washing out and being forgotten when they change. You’re making bets every where you look.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by insightcheck » Fri, Sep 09, 2022, 9:53 PM UTC

klabb3 wrote: post #94

LouisSayers wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This reminds me of a saying I've heard from Dean Graziosi (sales type guy). "Sell them what they want, give them what they need". I also dislike this whole game where you have to essentially mould yourself into this "mainstream click-baity character", but part of me recognises that if your goal is to sell, then you'd be wise to spend time on presenting your content in a way that is at least initially attention grabbi…

> but part of me recognises that if your goal is to sell , then you'd be wise to spend time on presenting your content in a way that is at least initially attention grabbing. The issue is, I think, exactly that everyone must be at least partially a salesman to get ahead. Is this what we want? Is there a way for YouTube to compensate for clickbaity titles and thumbnails? Are they incentivized to do so? Thinking back a…

> "The issue is, I think, exactly that everyone must be at least partially a salesman to get ahead. Is this what we want?"

Regardless of what we as a society want, and even if YouTube never existed, it's the reality that salesmanship is always important to some extent.

Persuasive communication is important even outside of business: it's key for academia to get grants, it's important for non-profits to get funding and volunteers, and it's important for individuals who want to improve their lives (even in relationships). I know several people who are technically brilliant, but have abrasive personalities and/or fail to get their point across to key stakeholders, so they don't achieve what they want.

There is a difference between honest salesmanship and sales pitches that include lies or fraud. It's necessary to sell, but you can play the game with some ethics instead of not playing at all and losing out.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by moffkalast » Fri, Sep 09, 2022, 9:55 PM UTC

movedx wrote: post #99

willhinsa wrote: post #25

Can we go back to the chapter on YouTube where we had downvotes so we can tell whether or not a video is going to be high quality and informative or not?

I don't understand YouTube's move to remove the downvote button - cyber bullying? What I will say though is it actually hasn't stopped me from being able to identify a bad video. If a "bad" video had 1,000 upvotes and (previously) had 10,000 downvotes, combined with a high view count and engage via the comments, just removing the downvotes still tells me everything I need to know: 1,000 upvotes on a high view count v…

We all know why they removed it, they were butthurt over their cringe rewinds consistently getting downvoted into oblivion. /s

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by lizardactivist » Fri, Sep 09, 2022, 9:56 PM UTC

A lot of noise in the signal over there. I find YouTube to be full to the brim with absolutely brain-rotting stuff like "Brightside!", "Quickfacts!", "Get smarter every day!", and stuff that is more on the dumb trivia side than actual, usable knowledge.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by robertlagrant » Fri, Sep 09, 2022, 9:56 PM UTC

an1sotropy wrote: post #3

Youtube has great individual creators like 3blue1brown, but I'm skeptical that youtube itself will supply the additional human curation and editing role required to make an educational resource that is consistently coherent and useful across a range of topics (like say, khanacademy.org). I'm also curious what benefits youtube would provide a creator/educator like, say, musician Charles Cornell, who is already perfect…

Try Crash Course.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by moffkalast » Fri, Sep 09, 2022, 9:56 PM UTC

9dev wrote: post #23

TimTheTinker wrote: post #6

Does it bother anyone else that YouTube has its own TLD (.youtube)? TLDs used to carry a lot of weight, and used to signify something besides individual entities/companies... but it feels to me like that designation is becoming rather diluted.

It bothers me that we still have those useless suffixes attached to domains. What does „org“, „com“, „net“ even mean to the average user? Nothing. It’s nothing but a pointless ritual at this point, and after ICANN chose to add thousands of generic domains, they don’t have any significance left at all, except that nice names are very expensive now. It would be easier for everybody if we simply removed that extra step…

I still don't know why ICANN gets to tell people what they can or cannot have as their TLD name. It's just a string, it doesn't cost anything more to compare on the DNS server if it's custom or standard.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by adamc » Fri, Sep 09, 2022, 9:57 PM UTC

If you have to buy the course to get access to this, I am not sure it will matter. I watch lots of youtube videos, and I pay for courses from places like udemy, but... I don't see myself as converting the things I already pay a youtube subscription (or a Nebula subscription, etc.) to watch into paid courses.

If it's cheap enough to temp companies like udemy to use it, fine, but then if would effectively be invisible to me. I don't care how udemy hosts their videos.